Eating Squirrel with Ian Cadwalader and His Beagle

Rich Bennett 0:00
Well, thank you for joining the conversation. So I actually have a new co-host this time. She was on before and scared the living hell out of me, talking about flesh eating beetles. And I wasn't sure if I was going to make it out of that podcast alive or not. 

So I have Kate Gregg joining me, and she decided she told me that this guy she wanted to bring on. And of course, I said, Yeah, why not? And Squirrel Hunter. But he also has a beagle Beauregard, who before we started recording, we were outside. And let me tell you why. Until he came up, Beauregard didn't want anything to do with anybody. He was looking for squirrels, Probably. He was looking for anything, I would think. 

Ian Cadwalader 0:48
No, he's. 

Rich Bennett 0:49
Just strictly. 

Ian Cadwalader 0:50
Squirrel. Hundred percent focused on squirrels. 

Rich Bennett 0:52
Wow. Holy cow. That's amazing. And now he finally let me pet him. When we came in to record. So anger. I know I'm going to try pronounce wrong. So we have Ian, Carlo Waller, Cadwallader Cadwallader. God dammit. 

Ian Cadwalader 1:07
The Welsh aren't known for easy pronunciations. 

Rich Bennett 1:11
They got part Welsh to me, we're more Irish. But you know, either way. So. All right. So you're former military, right? Are you active. 

Ian Cadwalader 1:21
Currently in the National Guard? 

Rich Bennett 1:22
Okay, well, that's military. 

Ian Cadwalader 1:25
But I'm not active duty, though, so. 

Rich Bennett 1:26
Oh, okay. All right. And tell us a little bit about you. How did you get into squirrel hunting? 

Ian Cadwalader 1:33
So when I got back from Iraq in 2008, my friend and I wanted to get into hunting together and he took me to like a family squirrel hunting competition that his extended family does. 

Rich Bennett 1:49
A squirrel hunting competition. 

Ian Cadwalader 1:51
Well, so what they do is it's a $5 buy in. 

Rich Bennett 1:53
Okay? 

Ian Cadwalader 1:54
And you get one point. You have to use a 22. 

Rich Bennett 1:57
Right? You get Well, I was going to say a bigger you probably are being squirrel left. 

Ian Cadwalader 2:01
Not if you shoot them. Right. Well. 

Rich Bennett 2:03
That's true. Tell. 

Ian Cadwalader 2:06
So it's 1.4 body shots and two points for headshots and then whoever it's. Yeah. And whoever got the most points wins the puck and then I think we started hunting at daylight and then we hunted probably until like nine or ten and then. 

Rich Bennett 2:25
OVERGAARD Bodyguards trying to leave. 

Ian Cadwalader 2:29
And then we met up at his aunt's house where she cooked us all big breakfast. 

I'm here. Yeah. So, yeah, that got me into it. I've always been a little too restless for deer hunting. Okay. So getting up and moving hunting squirrels was always much. 

Rich Bennett 2:46
Because they're everywhere. 

Ian Cadwalader 2:47
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:48
So they can't competition. How many squirrels did you all end up getting? 

Ian Cadwalader 2:51
Oh, not. Not a lot. I think between my friend and I, we killed four or five, which is. 

Rich Bennett 2:59
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 3:00
I mean, so between two people, I mean that's a fair amount, right? 

Rich Bennett 3:04
Okay. So I got to assist with squirrel 

because that's one thing I've never tried yet. And I was a big fan of Duck Dynasty. Right. And I remember them cooking up Squirrel. Miss K Cooking up squirrel like in a stew. Yeah. Is there I take it there's different ways you can cook it. 

Ian Cadwalader 3:22
Oh, yeah. You can cook squirrel. However you want. 

Rich Bennett 3:24
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 3:25
Squirrel tastes a lot like. 

Rich Bennett 3:27
Don't even say chicken. 

Ian Cadwalader 3:28
No, no. So hold on. Squirrel tastes exactly like dark meat. Chicken with a nutty hint. Because most of diet is nuts. Pine nuts, acorns, hickory nuts. 

Rich Bennett 3:39
Yeah, I guess it makes sense to me, huh? Other the other other other other. That other other dark meat. Cheese. That is the whole. Well, you can't eat the whole squirrel unless your liver king mean. 

Kate Craig 3:56
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 3:57
Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 3:58
Well, what I do is I butcher them into pieces that will fit in a Ziploc baggie, and then I'll freeze it. 

Rich Bennett 4:03
I say, Isn't that the whole damn squirrel? 

Ian Cadwalader 4:06
Most of it, yeah. So I'll do rib cage down and then the arms. There's not enough meat on their torso. 

Rich Bennett 4:11
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 4:12
And then most of the time, what I do is I crockpot the squirrel, and then I'll take that meat and put it in any recipe. 

Rich Bennett 4:19
I guess, is a lot easier than doing a deer. 

Ian Cadwalader 4:22
Pretty much. 

Rich Bennett 4:23
So how I when you get a squirrel skinning it, gutting it and everything, how long is it usually take to do one squirrel? 

Ian Cadwalader 4:32
Some people are faster than others. I'm very methodical about things. Okay, so I, I normally move a little bit slower, but on average, a lot of people can skin a squirrel in under a minute. 

Rich Bennett 4:44
Daniel Yeah. Then you pass everything else to Kate and let her make her art with it right. 

Ian Cadwalader 4:53
The that so I've got one squirrel had from her that was actually the first squirrel Beauregard was responsible for getting killed. 

Rich Bennett 5:02
I said, Tell us about Beauregard. What made you decide to get a beagle to help you with Hunt? You didn't have him first, right? 

Ian Cadwalader 5:10
Correct. 

Rich Bennett 5:11
Okay. So what made you decide to get a beagle to help you hunt Squirrel? 

Kate Craig 5:15
Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 5:17
So 

in 2021, I ended up in a really bad 

situation. Terrible ex and was going through a really hard time. And Kate texted me, said, Hey, my friend's looking to rehome a beagle. Do you want him? 

And the last thing I wanted was something to complicate my life, right? 

Rich Bennett 5:43
Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 5:44
But then she guilted me by sending me pictures of Beauregard with her sign, and I kind of like Lou, 

but she suggested, Oh, you could use him for hunting up to that point. The only hunting I've ever done with a dog is waterfowl. 

Rich Bennett 6:01
Yeah. Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 6:02
So my first thought when she sent that was a beagle isn't going to retrieve a goose. 

Rich Bennett 6:06
Right. So then I started getting goose is the size of beagle. Oh yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 6:11
So then I started looking up 

different things to hunt with dogs. 

Rich Bennett 6:16
Right. 

Ian Cadwalader 6:17
So beagles were bred to hunt rabbits, but while I've rabbit hunted and I don't mind it, squirrel hunting has always been my favorite. So I started looking up how to train a dog to squirrel hunt. 

Rich Bennett 6:29
YouTube University. I take it. 

Ian Cadwalader 6:31
I'm not not really. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of different articles on there because realistically, you can train almost any dog to squirrel hunt. Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 6:42
All right, so I got to ask this. How do you two know each other? Did you serve together? 

Ian Cadwalader 6:46
Yeah, for a little bit. 

Rich Bennett 6:48
For the both of the National Guard. But you're from Virginia. 

Ian Cadwalader 6:51
Well, I used to live in Maryland. Oh, okay. Yeah, I moved down to Virginia in 2017. 

Rich Bennett 6:54
Okay. All right. I knew that. So how hard was it to train Beauregard? 

Ian Cadwalader 7:00
It's actually a lot easier than you think. So with dogs, you can train a dog to hunt however you want, Right? But you can't make a dog want to hunt. So the most important thing is seeing drive in a dog like he wants to get out and he wants to pursue something, right? So the first time when Kate brought me the dog, I took him on a walk and he was a £15 five month old beagle and he tried to kill a goose. 

Rich Bennett 7:30
So thought muzzle. Oh yeah. £15. Yeah. When you when you found he was literally a puppy then. 

Kate Craig 7:38
Oh yeah. He was little, he was I don't even think he was a year old yet. 

Ian Cadwalader 7:41
Yeah he was when he was five months old when I got him the trunk. 

Rich Bennett 7:46
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 7:47
So I saw that drive which means all I had to do was focus him on squirrel. 

Rich Bennett 7:51
Right. 

Ian Cadwalader 7:52
And it's easy. I live in an apartment, so there's squirrels all over the place and people in the apartment feed the squirrels. So they're always around. Oh, he's coming around. Right? So I literally. I trained him to squirrel hunt by chasing squirrels with him. 

Rich Bennett 8:06
Okay, so. 

Ian Cadwalader 8:09
I'm that weird guy at the apartment chasing squirrels with my dog. 

Rich Bennett 8:12
I was. But that's because I know you. Of course, you can open fire at an apartment, but he will literally track them down, grab them and bring them back. No, no, no. Hit man. Yes. And actually, you got to teach him that. 

Ian Cadwalader 8:25
So his job is to tell me what tree the squirrels are in. Oh, yeah. So he tracks them down, marks the tree, and then I just go to that tree and find the squirrel. 

Rich Bennett 8:36
So. Or how often do you two go hunting? 

Ian Cadwalader 8:40
Almost every day. 

Rich Bennett 8:42
On average, how many scores you get. 

Ian Cadwalader 8:45
So we're so this year, on average, we've been probably getting two squirrels per day. It's still early season. And with the leaves on the tree, it's not always easy to squirrel hunt. They're hard to see. And especially with a dog, they make so much noise that you can't or the squirrel knows they're being pursued, so they're hiding. 

Rich Bennett 9:07
Yeah, I think I saw that when you guys got up here, because, like I said, there's normally squirrels everywhere. And then Beauregard comes, there's like, there's not a squirrel to be seen. They were all dandelions at the end of the road, which is unusual or to Oh yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 9:20
And he's a being a beagle they are their pursuit hounds. So when he hits on a hot scent, he howls to let me know that he's on a scent. And beagles are not known as a quiet. 

Rich Bennett 9:35
Explains why he went apeshit when Kate got. 

Kate Craig 9:38
Here. 

Ian Cadwalader 9:39
Well, there's certain people that he loves that he gets really excited to see. 

Rich Bennett 9:43
Oh, well, that explains why he went apeshit when kids got here. 

Kate Craig 9:47
I mean, they. Kidnapped and threw him my car and said, Hey, take this home with. You. 

Rich Bennett 9:53
Ned. Any plans are getting another one? I don't know. Is it good to have more than one dog? Sometimes when you're hunting squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 10:00
For for a hunting squirrel, it can always help. 

Rich Bennett 10:03
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 10:04
As long as you have a dog, that's good. Then it won't get in the way because the dogs will work together. Especially something like a beagle. They're pack animals, so they're meant to hunt together. 

The problem is, it's just hard to train a dog during squirrel season. So actually I fostered a dog at the in March of last year for a little bit in the hopes to actually use him as a squirrel dog with Beauregard. But he ended up with an ACL tear that Jesus. Yeah he had what was called a floating kneecap where. Yeah, it just wasn't him. Yeah. Where it didn't seat all the way. So he had a pretty big surgery for that. And the doctor was honest. She was telling me that, you know, he'll never be a hunting dog. So I ended up with my friends, adopted him. 

Rich Bennett 10:52
Wow. Okay, so I know all the listeners are probably thinking of this 

because one thing I love about know what you and Kate do when you're hunting, you eat what you kill. Yeah, that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, there are people out there just and leave it there. 

But why? 

Ian Cadwalader 11:13
Squirrel 

It's fun. Okay, so growing up, we. My family has a farm in Joppa. 

Rich Bennett 11:23
Okay? 

Ian Cadwalader 11:24
And we had a crop damage permit because the deer were eating all of our corn. So my experience of deer hunting growing up was sitting in a truck. 

Rich Bennett 11:32
Waiting. 

Ian Cadwalader 11:33
Waiting for the deer to come out. And you shoot as many as you can see. Yeah. And that was we had since we had a crop damage permit. That was all year. Wow. And overnight. 

Rich Bennett 11:45
Yeah. Okay. I suppose. But with the squirrel, 

the first time you eat squirrel, was it before you went hunting on a family trip on the family competition thing, or was that the first time you eat squirrel? 

Ian Cadwalader 12:01
No. Yeah, that was first time I ate squirrel. 

Rich Bennett 12:03
Okay, so when they told you you're going to be in squirrel, what was your what's the first thing that went through your head? 

Ian Cadwalader 12:09
It's meat. 

Kate Craig 12:12
Know it was like it's Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:14
See, that's what I love a lot of people be like you say squirrel. You see myself, they're like, it was like, you can't say you if you never tried it. Yeah. You got to try to know if you're going to like it or not. 

Ian Cadwalader 12:26
And part of the problem is most people, especially suburban people, they see squirrels getting into their trash. 

Rich Bennett 12:32
Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 12:33
So a suburban squirrel is going to be it's not going to be very clean. Whereas a woodland squirrel, they're very clean animals. They're only eating nuts, acorns, the occasional bird birds nests know they're omnivores. 

Rich Bennett 12:48
And I didn't realize squirrels. He birds. 

Ian Cadwalader 12:51
Yeah. They get into Bird's nests and eat the eggs. Eat the young eat small birds. 

Rich Bennett 12:55
Bird's home? 

Ian Cadwalader 12:56
Yeah. The cannibals do. 

Rich Bennett 12:59
What? Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 13:00
If. If a mother is raising a litter and one of the babies dies, the mother will eat the baby. 

Rich Bennett 13:06
Oh, get out of here. Oh, yeah. 

Kate Craig 13:08
Just like hamsters or mice or. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 13:11
Yeah, I'm starting to dislike squirrels more. More now. 

Ian Cadwalader 13:15
It's hard being a squirrel passer is. 

Rich Bennett 13:19
The funny thing is, because we had my neighbor, he ended up with a squirrel in his laundry room. Yeah, and it was an adolescent. And I think we're not. Leave us. Yeah. I mean, he was just walking, jumping all over us. They found out he like beer, which is pretty weird. Did not like peanuts though. Yeah, he liked corn. You know, the corn kernels? Yeah, fresh corn kernels, fresh cranberries and apples and. And beer. And he would not leave for a while. And they actually had to bill like a I guess like a home for him on their deck. Yeah. And then I guess he finally left. But I did research because he said in the wild a scroll last maybe a couple of years. Yeah. But if you domesticate them, it'd be like 20 years or so. Maybe. Maybe not that long. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:08
No. 

Rich Bennett 14:08
So 15 or ten out. Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:11
So with they've done mortality studies on squirrels. If the squirrel lives to be a year old, it has a pretty good chance of living to be 7 to 10. 

Rich Bennett 14:20
Really? Yeah. Wow. Smart squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:24
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 14:25
Oh they never he squirrel never met Beauregard. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:29
Well, that's why we're so successful, right. 

Rich Bennett 14:33
So I with the and I didn't realize this too and I guess on the east on the east coast you have what three different types of squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:42
So four really. Okay, so there's the eastern grey squirrel, Right. 

Rich Bennett 14:47
Which is the most common, right. Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:49
Okay. There's the fox squirrel, which you'll mostly find those in the Appalachians or the Shenandoah Valley. 

Rich Bennett 14:55
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 14:56
And then there's the pine squirrel. You'll find those that high in the mountain peaks. 

Rich Bennett 15:01
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 15:01
And then but also. So there's a species in Maryland on the Eastern shore, the Delmarva fox squirrel. But that's not legal to hunt. It actually, it was only removed from the endangered species list ten years ago, I think. 

Rich Bennett 15:16
Oh, wow. Yeah. Now, is there a taste difference between the three You're allowed the one. 

Ian Cadwalader 15:21
So I've never killed a fox squirrel or a pine squirrel. 

Rich Bennett 15:24
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 15:25
But from my. 

Rich Bennett 15:26
Regard. 

Ian Cadwalader 15:28
For my understanding, fox squirrel and gray squirrel tastes similar, but pine squirrels have a much more piney taste because they live in pine trees, and almost all of their diet is pine nuts. 

Rich Bennett 15:39
Okay, so with the squirrels, what's your favorite recipe to make? 

Ian Cadwalader 15:44
So I tried it this year and it is probably my favorite recipe now. Squirrel fried rice, scrub. 

Rich Bennett 15:53
Oh, even Kate, what's your favorite recipe? 

Kate Craig 15:57
I'm a sucker for adults to like. Just a classic stew. Potatoes, carrots. Okay, sorry, but squirrel tacos are pretty good too. 

Rich Bennett 16:08
All right, So let me ask you this. How have you ever made chili with squirrel yet? 

Ian Cadwalader 16:12
No, I'm not that good of a cook. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 16:16
Well, I just. I wanted to know, like, how many squirrels? All right, let's say you want to make a a quarter pound squirrel burger. How many squirrels would that £4 worth? 

Kate Craig 16:31
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 16:34
Maybe I should cut her 

mad. 

Ian Cadwalader 16:40
So probably it probably take 4 to 6 squirrels. 

Rich Bennett 16:46
For a burger. 

Ian Cadwalader 16:48
So four gray squirrels, A large gray squirrel weighs a pound. 

Rich Bennett 16:55
And you're going to get probably, what, a half pound of meat? Not a lot. 

Ian Cadwalader 16:59
Less than that. 

Kate Craig 17:00
Probably not even that. 

Rich Bennett 17:00
Really? 

Ian Cadwalader 17:01
Yeah. 

Kate Craig 17:02
I think the the whole torso doesn't really have any meat on it. It's real fat. It's just your legs, shoulders area maybe. 

Ian Cadwalader 17:09
Yeah. Yeah. No they don't have a lot of fat either. 

Rich Bennett 17:12
But there's, you know. 

Ian Cadwalader 17:14
Just the meat here. 

Rich Bennett 17:16
All right. So for those of you listening, I've never done this before. I've had dog, I've had seaweed, I've had, I've been, I've had pufferfish, I've never had squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 17:26
So this is so I. 

Rich Bennett 17:27
Pick now I have to try a squirrel here. 

Ian Cadwalader 17:29
So this is just plain crockpot squirrel and this is thigh meat from the squirrel. 

Rich Bennett 17:34
So how long does it take in the crockpot? 

Ian Cadwalader 17:37
I do it for 8 hours. 

Rich Bennett 17:38
It actually does look like dark meat. Chicken? Yeah. 

Kate Craig 17:42
It's just like a do. 

Rich Bennett 17:43
Oh, damn. Yeah, they. And that's good. Yeah. Mm. 

Kate Craig 17:50
You're good. 

Rich Bennett 17:50
No, go ahead. Well. Oh, man. 

Ian Cadwalader 17:53
So I also brought squirrel cakes. It is. 

Rich Bennett 17:57
Squirrel quesadillas. Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 17:59
So this is an Afghan Appalachian Mexican fusion. 

Rich Bennett 18:02
I'm sorry. I want. 

Kate Craig 18:05
An. 

Ian Cadwalader 18:05
Afghan Appalachian Mexican fusion. 

Rich Bennett 18:07
What the hell is that? 

Ian Cadwalader 18:09
It's squirrel meat. 

Kate Craig 18:10
Mexican? Yeah. It. 

I don't know. 

Ian Cadwalader 18:15
What else to call it, So it's squirrel meat with Afghan chicken seasoning on it in a case of deer. 

Rich Bennett 18:22
Oh, okay. When I die, when you say an Afghan, I'm thinking of the dog. 

Ian Cadwalader 18:27
Oh. 

Rich Bennett 18:28
That's. I was wondering why I did it. No, don't you give me a hard time. 

Don't you be healthy all the. 

Kate Craig 18:40
What. 

Rich Bennett 18:40
They. 

Kate Craig 18:40
Well, I mean. 

Rich Bennett 18:42
Okay, you guys, food service. All right? I go to Appalachian Afghanistan. 

Ian Cadwalader 18:47
Okay. Mexican food. 

Kate Craig 18:49
Yeah. All right. 

Rich Bennett 18:50
Just to clarify, when you say Afghanistan. 

Ian Cadwalader 18:53
The. 

Rich Bennett 18:53
Country, the country, not that a person from there. Okay. And what else? 

Ian Cadwalader 18:59
So it's just squirrel meat with the Afghan seasoning, the for the mex, the cheese Mexican blend that you can get at the store. Okay. And in tortillas. 

Rich Bennett 19:09
What is Afghan seasoning like? Is that Korean? 

Ian Cadwalader 19:13
It's kind of like that. Is that yellow seasoning. 

Rich Bennett 19:15
Okay. 

Kate Craig 19:16
And stuff like that. 

Ian Cadwalader 19:17
Yeah. Afghanis make really good chicken. 

Rich Bennett 19:22
Yeah. Oh, damn, man. 

Kate Craig 19:27
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 19:33
I'm trying to. 

I'm getting a little muddy there. Not me. I'm a little nut flavor. 

Kate Craig 19:41
We're going to need 

them. 

Rich Bennett 19:44
That is good. 

Ian Cadwalader 19:46
Yeah. A lot of times I'll get some Chick-Fil-A sauce or sour cream with it. 

Rich Bennett 19:50
Oh, now? 

Hmm. 

Yeah. Beauregard You're doing good, bubba. Yeah, This is. This is. This is some good shit. Well, so I needed that, right? 

Ian Cadwalader 20:05
So the seasoning has garlic powder in it and garlic powders. And so garlic is actually designed for dogs, garlic and onions. Oh, yeah. There was a pellet in my piece. Part of the dangers of shotgun hunting, 

but. 

Rich Bennett 20:22
So I meant I thought you said use a 22 when you're on squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 20:26
On that competition. So. Okay, so I hunt on Quantico almost every day because I'm only 10 minutes from there. 

Rich Bennett 20:32
Right. 

Ian Cadwalader 20:32
And Quantico does not allow any rifles 20 to nothing. 

Rich Bennett 20:37
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 20:37
So you have to use a shotgun. So I've purpose built a shotgun for squirrel and as an extra full choke with a red dot site. So that way I just put the red dot on the squirrel's nose, pull the trigger, get a couple of pellets in the head, and the squirrel comes down. 

Rich Bennett 20:51
Okay, So 

I'm not feeling any pellets going down. So when you clean the squirrel, I guess you got to be very thorough of them. When you're looking for the. Did you get one 

other good. 

It's funny because I told my my wife and daughter about this. You're going to eat squirm like hell. 

Ian Cadwalader 21:15
It's meat. 

Rich Bennett 21:16
Yeah. Oh, my God. I have a funny feeling when I get home Now. The squirrels are. They're always coming up to me looking for peanuts. Since Berger, first of all, they're going to be like, Oh, my God. He was with him. 

So what's what's something you want to try to make with Squirrel that you haven't had the opportunity to make it? Because you either need a shitload of it or a. 

Ian Cadwalader 21:42
So I think the next thing I'm going to try is making a 

so you could take squirrel cake but basically take like just do a crab cake recipe with squirrel meat. 

Rich Bennett 21:58
Ooh. Yeah, that could be good. 

Ian Cadwalader 21:59
Yeah. Because I mean, you look at the pieces there, they're about the same size you'd get. Yeah. Are you going up over here? But we don't hand it to him. 

Kate Craig 22:06
Oh. 

Ian Cadwalader 22:07
Yeah. So Beauregard is normally a very gentle dog, but he knows what squirrel meat is, and he doesn't care where the squirrel ends and your fingers begin. 

Rich Bennett 22:17
I'm glad you told me that, because I have a tendency to put, like, I'll put a piece of my mouth and have the whole thing. I know you'll take my lips. What? What? But he's going to jump in my lap Now. 

Ian Cadwalader 22:28
He knows you're eating squirrel, and so he knows. So beagles have the third best nose of all dogs. So he knows that squirrel. 

Rich Bennett 22:36
The third best. Yep. What's the other two? 

Ian Cadwalader 22:39
Bloodhounds have the best nose and then basset hound of the second best. 

Rich Bennett 22:43
Do they? Good, Beauregard s and good squirrel. Yeah. Good. Get me more. 

Ian Cadwalader 22:47
Oh, yeah. No, he works. 

Rich Bennett 22:48
Hard for squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 22:49
We killed 84 last night. 

Rich Bennett 22:51
You want another peach, don't you? Yeah. 

Let me put it down first. Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 22:58
Yeah, he can drop it. He might catch it. There you go. Yeah. 

Actually, a rule I have. Oh, yeah, A rule I have for when I take people hunting is to let me get the squirrels from him. Because same thing. He doesn't care where the squirrels end in your fingers. 

Rich Bennett 23:13
Right. Good. You can smell it. You can. They don't bite. You can lick. 

Yeah. Okay. Good boy. 

Kate Craig 23:23
Oh. 

Rich Bennett 23:25
Yeah. No, I. Well, I'm not shocked. I mean, it's. It doesn't taste gamey at all, which a lot of people who probably see that be like, yeah, it's going to be gamey. There's no gamey taste still. Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 23:38
Well, one thing I hate is when people use the term gamey. Yeah, because that gamey taste comes from used muscles, so. 

Rich Bennett 23:47
Oh, okay. Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 23:48
So cows, you know, domesticated cows, chickens, all that stuff. They don't have to survive. They're lost in the field. Whereas you think about a deer or a squirrel, they have to run from predators. So they're constantly using all their muscles. So that gamey taste is just from muscles being used. 

Rich Bennett 24:08
He's like, you know, I just want to let you know, I Beauregard is jumping up on Kate now. He's it's not because he likes you, because he thinks you have some squirrel there. That's the only reason. The only reason. Yeah, right. Beauregard here is staying at the dory. You go and get more. What now is there besides squirrel? Is there anything else that you hunt? 

Ian Cadwalader 24:30
Not really any more. No, No, because I like doing things with him. 

Rich Bennett 24:35
Right. You know, I. 

Ian Cadwalader 24:35
Like having Beauregard around and squirrel hunting. Something we can do. And it's fun, and I. 

Rich Bennett 24:40
Enjoy it. Nick, You do? Well, I mean, I guess you can bet on. Is there seasons for Squirrel? Yeah. Okay. Can you home with Bo? You can. Have you tried that? Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 24:51
No, I dislocated my shoulder 13 times. So what? Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 24:57
How, if you don't mind me, ask you how in the hell did you do that? 13 times. 

Kate Craig 25:01
List. All right, So. 

Ian Cadwalader 25:05
So the first. 

Rich Bennett 25:06
Straight shooting address? No. Your boyfriend ever shooting at you? Never mind. 

Kate Craig 25:10
Okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 25:13
No. So. So the first. 

Rich Bennett 25:15
Time I got steal another one? 

Ian Cadwalader 25:16
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why I made them. So the first time my brother and I were at the pool. So my family's farm has a pool on, and we're in the pool, and I was on a floating raft. I went to go run him over because why not? And in the ensuing scuffle, my shoulder dislocated and I think I was maybe 13. So I put it back in and then just various other things like you. 

Rich Bennett 25:40
Put it back in. Yeah, well back then everybody thought you could. 

Ian Cadwalader 25:43
No. Yeah. It's easy to put your shoulder back on if you know how. 

Rich Bennett 25:45
Yeah. But now they don't do that now. 

Ian Cadwalader 25:48
I mean I put it back in a couple a month or two ago. Yeah. No, Beauregard and I were out on a run and I lost my footing and he pulled me down, So I ended up hitting the pavement. And the way my left arm hit my shoulder. 

Rich Bennett 26:01
Dislocated arm. 

Ian Cadwalader 26:03
Yeah. So I had to get someone to help me put it back in. It's not hard. 

Rich Bennett 26:08
Well, I know. And Rob, I don't know. I never did it. Yeah, but my daughter. My daughter, she thought. And this is like within the past eight weeks. Yeah. Thought she dislocated shoulder. They took her to the hospital. Come to find out it was for hairline fractures. 

Ian Cadwalader 26:26
Yeah, that. That is a. 

Rich Bennett 26:27
Danger. Right. And they said, they said well they'll take X-rays and they said good thing it wasn't dislocated. This is what they told her at the hospital. There's a good thing it wasn't dislocated because otherwise it requires surgery right away, right? Yeah, I thought so. Did you just pop it right in? They said you don't like they don't do that anymore because of the tendons and everything. Yeah, you could pinch them. I was like, Oh, they think you can do that. 

Oh, hold still. Greyson got pushed back 

13 times. 

Ian Cadwalader 26:59
Yeah, I did it once. I've done it two or three times while sleeping, 

a girl I dated was tickling me once and ended up putting my shoulder out. 

I've done it. Stretching, putting on a camelback. 

Rich Bennett 27:17
Yeah. Have you ever gone to the doctor to get it checked out? Maybe there's, like, something missing there. 

Ian Cadwalader 27:23
Well, so what happens is there's muscles on top of your shoulder that help connect, right? And when you dislocated it, it stretches and tears those muscles. Yeah. So there is a surgery, but the surgery does not have a 100% success rate. 

Rich Bennett 27:38
Oh, okay. 

Ian Cadwalader 27:39
Yeah. So that's why I've never gotten surgery. 

Rich Bennett 27:42
I just got that African spice. Yeah, that's good. 

Ian Cadwalader 27:45
Yeah. Oh, I love it. I got all excited. There's an Afghanistan restaurant not too far from where I work, and they sell that spice. Really? Oh, yeah. So I bought it. 

Rich Bennett 27:54
I wonder if there's anything like that around here. 

Ian Cadwalader 27:57
So they're. I forget the name of it, but there's an Afghan restaurant in Baltimore. 

Rich Bennett 28:01
Okay? 

Ian Cadwalader 28:01
It's actually owned by Karzai's brother, the former president of Afghanistan. 

Rich Bennett 28:08
Because I that's the that's well, this is the first time I've ever had anything of Afghan seasoning. 

Ian Cadwalader 28:14
Yeah, they're chicken's delicious. 

Rich Bennett 28:15
Years ago I had when I was in the I.T. field, one of my techs took me to an Ethiopian restaurant in Silver Spring. First time I had Ethiopian food, which, wow, was amazing. 

Which I didn't realize. They don't you silverware either. Yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 28:35
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 28:35
What? The bread. But yeah, it threw me off. 

Kate Craig 28:39
But. 

Rich Bennett 28:39
And here it is, my body and it small, skinny Ethiopian guy. He I forget what you call the platter, but it was huge platter. I thought it was for both of us. He's like, oh no, rich ass. Mind you, go ahead. So I got one man. He finished his in no time. I couldn't finish it all. Yeah, it's like, dude, you're what, £100? And here I am. 

Kate Craig 29:00
216. 

Rich Bennett 29:02
So how in the world do you do that? Yeah. So besides Quantico, where else do you go hunting? 

Ian Cadwalader 29:07
Oh, lots of places. Any public land we can find in Virginia, right? We. So we open the season every year going to Kentucky. Oh, yeah. Kentucky's squirrel hunting season opens two weeks before Virginia's. So we go down there two weeks before we can hunt in Virginia. And we hunt there for a weekend in the mountains. 

Rich Bennett 29:27
Well, then next time you may have been maybe a bit. 

Kate Craig 29:33
Shot. 

Rich Bennett 29:35
Them. They say, go to Kentucky, go squirrel hunting. I'm thinking somehow or another you got to try cooking out with some bourbon. 

It could be. Yeah, maybe like a 

bourbon. Peanut butter 

marmalade. Oh, man, I. Have you ever smoked it? I love smoking. 

Ian Cadwalader 30:00
That's. I don't have a smoker, but on one of the squirrel hunting pages I follow on Facebook, someone just made a post that he smoked. Squirrel recently. And apparently it's the most amazing thing in the world. 

Kate Craig 30:12
I can see that. 

Ian Cadwalader 30:13
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:14
Well, I'll tell you what. Here's what you need to do. Get well. You get a shitload of squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 30:20
Well, I. 

Rich Bennett 30:21
Have up here. I'll smoke it for you. 

Ian Cadwalader 30:23
I have 40 in the freezer right now. What? Borough? Beauregard and I have killed 42 squirrels so far this season. 

Rich Bennett 30:30
How often do you eat squirrel? 

Ian Cadwalader 30:32
So I actually don't eat a lot of squirrel during hunting season just because we're so busy hunting. So I freeze it and then I start working my way through it outside of season. 

Rich Bennett 30:41
That's I got to try. I got to try smoking it. Yeah, I think that'd be awesome. 

Ian Cadwalader 30:45
Oh, I'm sure it. 

Kate Craig 30:46
Would be good. 

Rich Bennett 30:46
Yeah. Yeah. That and with the snakehead fish you have and grilled jet. 

Kate Craig 30:54
Fucking £30 of it. 

Rich Bennett 30:56
Huh. I thought you said before you rowing. I thought you said you never grilled it yet or grilled snakehead. 

Kate Craig 31:03
In a week. Some of it since our last time. 

Rich Bennett 31:05
Oh, okay. Okay. I haven't smoked that yet. That would be good on the smoker. Two or three. 

Kate Craig 31:11
Yeah, I feel like that would be good. I never even thought about that. 

Rich Bennett 31:14
Oh, I think it's. I think it's smoking. Everything we did is. Oh yeah, smoked was a smoked pumpkin bourbon pie. Nice. Good. Yeah, it was nice. 

Kate Craig 31:27
Yeah. See that working? Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:28
Oh, hey, you can smoke anything. 

Kate Craig 31:30
Yeah, Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:32
Oh, yeah. I mean, that's. Yeah, that be mean. I am just. I'm. 

Kate Craig 31:37
I am. 

Rich Bennett 31:38
Freaking 

good. I am shocked at how good this actually is. Oh, yeah, I and this is something I never understood 

with supermarkets selling meat. You know, I have no problem bringing in all these meats from other countries saying it's USDA approved when it's combination of stuff. So what we got here, So some of this steam stuff you find out in the woods. So some deer sell, some squirrel. 

Ian Cadwalader 32:11
Well, so actually, that's so that's illegal. 

Rich Bennett 32:14
I know it's illegal, right? They need to make it illegal. 

Ian Cadwalader 32:17
Well, they made it illegal because of the market. People were market hunting. And we almost wiped out all of our wildlife. Well, Beauregard, come on. So there's eight rule that there does. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, that's all I want to do is, you. 

Rich Bennett 32:30
Know, I have a funny side, so those of you listening, Beauregard sitting at the door trying to get out, I think there's a bunch of squirrel just stand in front of the door flipping of the. 

Kate Craig 32:38
Bird right now. 

Rich Bennett 32:41
I'm sorry. Go ahead. 

Kate Craig 32:41
Yeah, yeah. 

Ian Cadwalader 32:43
No, like. Like those oaks out there. There's a bunch of acorn shells from the squirrels eating, so. Yeah, that's. He just wants to go track them. Yeah. No. So it's illegal to sell any wild game in the U.S. because we almost wiped out all of our wildlife. 

Rich Bennett 32:57
Yeah, I guess that makes sense, because you come here. Yeah. Then you'll have everybody just wander. 

Ian Cadwalader 33:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 33:07
Well, like the fishing industry. Yeah. I mean, that's why you always have a hard time getting crabs and oysters. Yeah, And, you know. 

Oh, sorry. This is just. Oh, those are you, Beauregard Just standing at the door of his head, tilted, looking like you see a guy go to the bathroom or there's a squirrel out there. He's like, It's like he he or something. 

Ian Cadwalader 33:31
Oh, he needs to go, He needs to go to work. Mm. 

Rich Bennett 33:35
Beauregard He goes to work 24 seven. Oh yeah. That's amazing. All right, so and if you're, if you're not doing this, I think you should. Do you actually take anybody on, you know, like. Like a guide taking anybody. Score one. 

Ian Cadwalader 33:53
Oh, yeah. So okay, I, I make posts online or at work about getting, taking people out squirrel hunting. 

Rich Bennett 34:02
To charge them for. And I hope no one, not. 

Ian Cadwalader 34:05
One I'm going to hunt. 

Rich Bennett 34:06
Anyway. I know. 

Ian Cadwalader 34:07
But so what's it going to be, taking someone else out. 

Rich Bennett 34:10
Because you could that could be a full time job for you. Look, Beauregard 

right now. 

Ian Cadwalader 34:20
I was telling some of the guys down at work that the price to go squirrel hunting is to find a single girl that likes to be outdoors like me. 

Kate Craig 34:31
They. 

Rich Bennett 34:33
But now you're strictly on social media and new website, right? 

Ian Cadwalader 34:36
Correct. Because I'm not trying to make money. I just. I like sharing pictures and videos of our hunting together. 

Rich Bennett 34:41
But you guys go hunting every day. Yeah. Do you? You have a full time job? Yeah. Where in the world do you find the time to hunt after work? 

Ian Cadwalader 34:50
I work 5 to 1, so by the time I get home, I've got depending on daylight hours, three or 4 hours to hunt. 

Rich Bennett 34:56
How many days a week you work? 

Ian Cadwalader 34:58
I work five days. 

Rich Bennett 34:59
Five days? Well. 

Ian Cadwalader 35:01
Well, really? Six times, because I work part time at a gun shop in La Plano. 

Rich Bennett 35:05
Oh, really? 

Ian Cadwalader 35:05
Yeah. Yeah, We hunt. We don't normally we hunt six days a week. 

Rich Bennett 35:10
This is the place to Southern Maryland. 

Ian Cadwalader 35:12
Yeah, it's actually due east across the river from Maine. 

Rich Bennett 35:15
How long does it take you to get there from. 

Ian Cadwalader 35:17
About an hour, 

ma'am. Yeah. The owners, the owner is a friend of mine, and he needed somebody to do some gun smithing work for him on the weekends. So I come in on Saturday and work on guns. 

Rich Bennett 35:28
Oh, nice. So I can turn it over to you because I know you got questions. I'm going to use another case of Do 

See, this is all part of being a co-host. 

Kate Craig 35:40
Yeah, 

I don't know. I feel like I'm flipping through the Rolodex and I have all the answers to it, and I'm just trying to figure out what the listeners would want to hear. 

Ian Cadwalader 35:49
Yeah. 

Kate Craig 35:51
This is a mistake. Well, I. 

Ian Cadwalader 35:53
Mean, to be fair, Kate and I, we're good friends, so we talk a decent amount and. Mm. Yeah. She follows Beauregard. Yeah. 

Kate Craig 36:01
Or something ten years ish. 

Ian Cadwalader 36:03
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:04
Martha All right, I'll let you decide on this one. Boy, you got over easy, 

huh? 

Kate Craig 36:13
Got over easy. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:15
Cause. Yeah, well, you already knew everything, so. I mean. 

Kate Craig 36:19
Yeah, I came home having coffee for case. 

Rich Bennett 36:21
Almost. Spit your coffee on me. But Bogarde's giving you kisses, and it's like, man, it's really. You got anything to add? Maybe diminish. It is. 

Kate Craig 36:34
Good guy. 

Ian Cadwalader 36:37
I mean, get a. 

Rich Bennett 36:38
Squirrel, everybody. 

Ian Cadwalader 36:39
Yeah. Get out in squirrel hunt. It's kids love it because it's easy. You can just get out and walk through the woods. Well, squirrels are not easy to see because in the woods, everything wants to eat a squirrel. So it's not easy. Like you think suburban squirrels are right, But just you get out there and you get to experience nature. And it's great walking through the woods. Um, and you don't have to sit still and be quiet like you do deer hunting. And especially with the dog. I mean, I spend a lot of time hunting, running through the woods with him. 

Rich Bennett 37:10
Chasing him down. 

Kate Craig 37:11
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 37:13
So actually, with. Cause you done 22 in the shotgun, what's your favorite to use. 

Ian Cadwalader 37:18
When there are leaves on the tree? I prefer a shotgun. Okay. Because it's if the squirrels hidden, you're still going to hit it. Probably. 

Rich Bennett 37:28
Right. 

Ian Cadwalader 37:28
Where? As with 22, you have to be much more accurate with 22. And because of running squirrels with a dog, like I said, the squirrels know they're being hunted. So they're hiding and they're very wary. So at 22 is hard over a dog. Just because the squirrels are hiding so well, and especially the squirrels will run up to the top of the tree to hide from us. So you're taking long shots or on thin branches that are swaying. So a shotgun is just easier? 

Rich Bennett 37:57
Yeah. What about flying squirrel? Are they around here? 

Ian Cadwalader 38:01
I don't. They're in Maryland. I've seen them before. But you can't hunt them, I think. I think you can trap them, though. 

Rich Bennett 38:08
Okay. 

Have you ever done that? Just trap them and. No, I guess it's it kind of takes the fun out of it because I'm here. You're alive. I'm going to go to kill you. So have a cookie. I don't want to throw you in a boiling pot. Why? 

Kate Craig 38:24
People have different morals and ethics about dropping the ball. 

Rich Bennett 38:29
And because we, like you said, we get them in our neighborhood all the time. My one neighbor's constantly. Well, I think he finally gave up. He would trap them and then go release them. Right. And I read somewhere where unless you take them across a body of water, they're going to just keep coming back. Oh, yes. And he couldn't figure out why all the squirrels was Oh, yeah. Oh, well. 

Ian Cadwalader 38:50
Yes, squirrels move a lot more than people. 

Rich Bennett 38:51
Think. Yeah. Beauregard has a neighbor was feeding them, too. 

Ian Cadwalader 38:55
Yeah, 

Beauregard has actually led me on a track, like, actively tracking a squirrel for over 300 yards. 

Rich Bennett 39:05
Daniel? 

Ian Cadwalader 39:06
Yeah, like a cross streams up and down ridges. And we covered 300 yards. When he stopped, I looked up and there was a squirrel injury. 

Rich Bennett 39:16
All right, so your one with nature, you got an awesome dog and you're getting freakin exercise. 

Ian Cadwalader 39:23
Yeah, I like to eat. So we run a lot. 

Rich Bennett 39:25
You get. Yeah. So people get a beagle go squirrel hunting because you want to get in shape. That's one way to do it. And it's there's like, new fat on there. 

Ian Cadwalader 39:36
No, it's rare to see. 

Rich Bennett 39:38
Just good diet fat. 

Ian Cadwalader 39:39
Yeah. Yeah. They're super clean. Very healthy animals. 

Rich Bennett 39:42
Man. All right, you ready? Rock, paper, scissors. To get the last one ready. One, two, three, go. I Women, you cheated, but you go on three. Yeah, yeah. So, one. 

Ian Cadwalader 39:53
Two, three, go. 

Rich Bennett 39:54
One, two, three, go. One, two, three, go. 

Kate Craig 40:01
You won. 

Rich Bennett 40:03
Yeah. That means you get. Oh, okay. Now, I'm not going to sit there, argue with you, Dave. And I want to thank you so much, Keith Thank you. It's always good seeing you. Even though it's only the second time. You know. 

Kate Craig 40:14
That. 

Ian Cadwalader 40:15
Kate's good. 

Rich Bennett 40:15
People. She is she. Oh, my God. The art.