Lighthouse in My Head: Music and Mental Health with Big Infinite

Rich Bennett 0:00
We have a big roundtable today that is going to be growing. We have actually everybody that's been on here has been on here before. But we have three gentlemen, Big, Infinite or on. They're going to be talking about a new release, their wellness program. 

Jordan Lally 0:15
The Valley Foundation, Workplace Wellness. 

Rich Bennett 0:18
I'll go around the table, have everybody introduce themselves. 

Wendy Beck 0:21
I am Wendy Beck, founder and executive director of Rage Against Addiction and part time co-host. 

Rich Bennett 0:29
You probably didn't need to introduce yourself to everybody in Asia. 

Big Infinite 0:31
Hello, everyone. 

Oh, my turn. 

Rich Bennett 0:36
I say, going around the table. How long has it been since you've done this? 

Big Infinite 0:40
It's been a little bit. It's been a little bit. Like a little drag on my podcast. 

Side. I'm Derek Pants occasionally, darling Drag superstar. I am a podcaster, a standup comic, mental health advocate, an artist photographer. 

Rich Bennett 0:56
So an album art? 

Big Infinite 0:58
Yes, I did the album. Laughing. Yeah. Now. Which I love. So that's do it. I'm excited. 

Jordan Lally 1:07
I'm Jordan Lalli with the L.A. Foundation and singer songwriter for the big Infant. 

Andre Toney 1:14
Andre Toni with. 

Rich Bennett 1:15
The L.A. Foundation. 

Andre Toney 1:17
Drummer and lyricist for the Big Infinite. 

DJ Fritzges 1:21
DJ Fridges with the Ed Lalli Foundation and. 

Big Infinite 1:25
Multi-Instrumentalist for the Big Infinite. 

Emily Adoplh 1:27
I'm really. 

Rich Bennett 1:28
I got to tell you guys, the last time you were on and you did that song a cappella. Holy crap, man, that took off. I mean, a lot of people listen to the episode, but we were talking earlier before we started recording about Tik Tok. My biggest Tik Tok video, I think I would say like over 10,000 views. That's great. Yeah. All the other ones were like, only a few hundred. That's like hear people plus like this or due that that personality the new. What's the name of the new song. 

Jordan Lally 2:00
Lighthouse in my Head. 

Rich Bennett 2:02
Are you guys going to be able to do that one acapella? 

Jordan Lally 2:04
I could probably figure something out. 

Big Infinite 2:05
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 2:07
Lighthouse. And when did that come out? 

Big Infinite 2:09
Just a couple weeks back, right? Yeah, a couple weeks back in April 12th. 

Rich Bennett 2:15
All right, so what's what's the what's the meaning behind this song? 

Big Infinite 2:20
Well, the song itself is sort of a surprise. 

Jordan Lally 2:24
Everything we're doing now kind of ties in with our mental health. Right. The verses really depict, you know, my personal struggles with depression. And then the chorus is all about, you know, the lighthouse in your head and how you use that sort of you can think about it in like esoteric terms. It's like the light and the love inside each and every one of us. Or in terms of neurosciences, like just the self-awareness that you can cultivate to be. You know, I say sometimes we're speaking to various populations that there's a huge difference between being depressed and being aware that you're depressed. If you're depressed, that's a conclusion. You're stuck there. You believe the hope in your headspace. But if you're aware that you're experiencing depression, all that awareness gives you some breathing room to to make a conscious choice, whether it's to reach out for help or or to, you know, use some coping strategies. So anyway, yeah, essentially, I guess that's what the course is about. 

Rich Bennett 3:14
So who came up with the name? The title. I love the title. Lighthouse in My Head. 

Jordan Lally 3:18
Yeah, that was just it's just pulled from the lyrics. So that would be Oh. 

Rich Bennett 3:23
Way. You wrote the lyrics for this one? Yes, it was both of you. 

Andre Toney 3:27
Oh, you know, when I say lyricist, I mean more like, you know, I write rhymes. Okay. And rhymes. I also sing. 

Big Infinite 3:36
So I don't really get words, you know, sell drums. And I say, I'm a drum singer. A singer. That's my name on Instagram. Yeah. So. So. 

Jordan Lally 3:47
So we'll write a song, you know, I'll write lyrics and melody, you know, and the structure on the guitar. And then I'll bring it to these guys and they'll really bring the musicianship. And sometimes we'll have like, you know, we want us to trade out of verse. So he'll write his verse. This particular song didn't have a verse in it, but he's always writing and stuff. 

Big Infinite 4:07
He's a phenom. 

Jordan Lally 4:09
Songwriter in many respects. I think. 

Rich Bennett 4:11
Jordan just said, You're not getting a verse in this and. 

Big Infinite 4:13
It's fine and dandy. 

DJ Fritzges 4:15
It's just kind of looked at and said. 

Big Infinite 4:16
Nathan, No. Well. 

Rich Bennett 4:19
You guys didn't bring your instruments. What the hell? 

Big Infinite 4:21
I mean, you tell us next time. 

Rich Bennett 4:23
You should have known. I was going to ask you guys to perform it. 

Big Infinite 4:27
I would love to. The next thing I knew you were. 

Rich Bennett 4:30
You knew I was going to say. 

Big Infinite 4:32
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 4:34
Well, yeah. He's got two drums right there. Yeah, but, I mean, because when you guys did that the last time, I mean. Well, I think you blew everybody away in here. I know everybody listening. You blow away. So good. You got to. 

Big Infinite 4:48
Yeah. Can we? Yeah, We want to lose the key. 

Jordan Lally 4:52
Can you give me like. 

Andre Toney 4:53
The, um. The like the. Or is it the. 

Big Infinite 4:57
Bridge part and. Yeah. 

Andre Toney 5:00
The tears on the T-shirt. 

Jordan Lally 5:01
Oh, yeah, yeah. 

Big Infinite 5:03
Yeah, yeah. Why don't you. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 5:06
The hold up. Did you just ask him how the lyrics went. 

Big Infinite 5:09
It's been a while. He did. Yeah. Well, he wrote it, 

you know, So if I start the song at the top. Okay. Yeah, but he says about the bridge, I mean, like, okay, I get like you got like 100. So. Yeah, yeah, right. It's probably. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But you got if I start in the middle if. Yeah. You got to get the guy right. 

Rich Bennett 5:31
All right, good. 

Jordan Lally 5:32
We're still in this, but. 

Rich Bennett 5:32
You're starting at the bridge. 

Big Infinite 5:34
Right? Let's start us off at the bridge. 

Rich Bennett 5:36
Oh, what 

the. Nobody. You listen to the song. If I. 

Big Infinite 5:42
Start 

shoveling. 

Wendy Beck 5:46
Anything. 

Big Infinite 5:47
To the foot, there may be tears on my T-shirt, fingernails sticking down for the real hurt. I'm Alaska. In the sound of going any of your life, I can't think of a word to be here. I can't sing anymore to know I'm a lost cause. Turn the sound off. Go with your lie, 

lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie 

there. Flood my head. 

But I won't let go. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. La la la lie. Take me. Oh, Where was. 

Wow. 

Rich Bennett 6:37
Ooh, yeah. Awesome. 

Wendy Beck 6:39
Thank you. 

Big Infinite 6:39
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 6:40
All right, so you guys, when you do the wellness program where the. Well, the workshop wellness program and the thing you're doing in the schools. Yeah, you're playing. You'll play a song and then you'll talk to it. How does that work out? So everybody. 

Jordan Lally 6:52
Again. So workplace wellness would be different to that. So power of expression is what we do. 

Rich Bennett 6:57
In the school. 

Jordan Lally 6:58
Middle schools, high schools, colleges, community events. We were at APG last spring and we're starting an elementary program this this. 

Rich Bennett 7:07
Summer really. 

Jordan Lally 7:08
In schools in the fall. So that's where we combine the music and the mental health message. Okay, stuff. So we'll you know, we'll share some some stories and we'll intersperse songs throughout and we'll share some science. And, you know, our goal with whoever we're visiting is to empower people to put their mental health into their own hands. So we want to de-stigmatize the struggles. You know, it's okay to talk about it, but then also give people, like tangible things that they can do to improve the health of the nervous system, their brain structure and functional right. Workplace wellness is just we leave the instruments behind and. 

Rich Bennett 7:40
Oh. 

Jordan Lally 7:41
Yeah, we just go to workplaces and we're we're it's really two, two different sort of sessions we offer I'll do mindful mental health so I'll, I'll again destigmatize talk openly about struggles and then share Breathwork exercises that you can use to improve health your nervous system, mindfulness and meditation practices to improve, you know, brain structure. Right, and those kind of things. And my goal, our goal through the Valley Foundation is to make those things accessible, like down to earth. Like, you know, you don't need to do it 20 minutes a day sitting in a perfect lotus, right? Yeah. Lay down, fighting back. You got 5 minutes, you know. So that's the one portion of it. The other portion is these guys will do the QPR training. So mental health first day and they can tell you more about that. 

Andre Toney 8:25
Yeah, I think we talked about it last. Yeah, but yeah, it's kind of it's like CPR for somebody going through a mental health crisis. So we kind of go over, you know, suicide statistics, you know, mental crisis statistics, research, all that stuff, clues to look for if somebody, you know, you know, a coworker in this case. But, you know, family, family member, friends, clues to look for somebody might be struggling and just kind of step by step process of how to get them, you know, to help. 

Jordan Lally 8:55
And so it's sort of like like the two fold is like I guess my push would be self-care, right? And then their portion is like caring for others, caring for so in the workplace, caring for coworkers. But all this stuff is like, you know, things that you can take home and apply to your family, you know, self care, things you could pass on your kiddos or signs that you would like recognizing your kids, your spouse. So that's sort of the idea. You know, we want to go into every population we can with at the school workplace and shift the culture around mental health, first and foremost with the honest dialogue. That's the thing that we're all fighting against, right? The stigma. 

Big Infinite 9:28
Yes. 

Jordan Lally 9:29
Yes. And so we we definitely come in humbly and openhearted, like we're not you know, we're not fighting on some fluffy cloud, like we got it all figured out. And but we you know, we have, you know, engaged in some real tangible healing and work through some stuff. So we share what we know and what we've learned through our various trainings and stuff. And then, yeah, just want to empower communities to again put mental health in your own hands. 

Rich Bennett 9:52
With the with the workplaces. Have they been receiving it pretty well? 

Jordan Lally 9:56
We're literally just rolling the program out now. So I before we officially had the program, like I visited, I was a Boys and Girls Club staff regularly and healthy Harvard. I've done workshops for some of the county government offices, Habitat for Humanity. Those have all been very well received and I always enjoy speaking to those. I enjoy speaking to any group of people, particularly, I would say, like breaking down the stigma around mental health. But I like talking about meditation in the way that I share because people always like have people was like, I can't meditate. 

Rich Bennett 10:30
Everybody can meditate. 

Big Infinite 10:32
And I love I love that. 

Jordan Lally 10:33
So many different ways to do it. 

Rich Bennett 10:35
Yeah, yeah. 

Emily Adoplh 10:36
Yeah, yeah. I found the biggest thing for me with my own practices of meditation is just getting connected to your breath. Yes, really. That's the power of meditation is, you know, I feel like sometimes people get this idea in their minds of, like, meditation. That's so woo woo. Well, no, it's all about just grounding yourself. 

Big Infinite 10:56
Hmm. 

Emily Adoplh 10:57
Focusing on something usually your breath. And that's what's going to help ground you. And by doing that, that's what help Quiets helps to quiet the I call it the manic mind. Yeah. 

Big Infinite 11:09
I. 

Rich Bennett 11:10
I don't understand why people are afraid to do it. 

Big Infinite 11:13
Well, I think I mean. 

Jordan Lally 11:14
I think the the expectation that people place on it like you're supposed to have like a silent headspace. But that's not the case at all. You're not quiet in your mind. I mean, that's a nice byproduct of it, but you're changing your relationship to your thoughts. Yeah. People talk about triggers often in the world, and rightfully so. But the biggest trigger we all have is our own thoughts. Yeah, reality to our perspective immediately. And that's what meditation certainly has afforded me, is like, yeah, that's, that's a thought. And maybe that's why I want to give energy to and maybe I should just let this pass on by. 

Rich Bennett 11:43
So you guys are doing it for non-profits and businesses, right? 

Jordan Lally 11:46
Yeah. I mean, I think at this point, particularly when we roll out the elementary program, like I don't think there's a population that we're not going to connect with in some way, shape or form. But the workplace wellness is is is all sort of important. And it. 

Rich Bennett 11:59
Doesn't matter. The businesses, small, large, medium, whatever. 

Jordan Lally 12:03
Yeah, sort of, yeah. I mean ideally the sessions like. 

Big Infinite 12:06
To process from. 

Jordan Lally 12:07
Smaller. 

Big Infinite 12:08
20. Yeah that's right. 

Rich Bennett 12:10
But for those big corporations they could always break it out in multiple sessions in days. Yeah. Which in the work place. God it's something I think it's definitely needed. I mean we talk about, you know, with mental illness, we talk about with schoolchildren all the time. We talk about it. How do you how often is it discussed about in the workplace? 

Big Infinite 12:36
Oh, never. And it's always that expectation of like, this is all fine, let's talk about it, but don't deal with it on company hours. They get locked in. Just pretend like everything's fine. And you doing that at home and that's bullshit. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:48
Well, it is. I mean, I mean, look how many problems you have at the workplace, you know, whether it be fights, shootings, whatever. Yeah, You know, And if they nip it in the bud now it's talk about have you guys coming to talk about it. 

How many work I mean, how many businesses even have like a I don't know but I don't think. 

Big Infinite 13:12
I'd say it's sort of yeah. 

Jordan Lally 13:14
It's a good question. 

Wendy Beck 13:15
I mean, some do family members like let's say me personally, like you talked about that trigger that happens and then all of a sudden we're in a we're in like some kind of manic spiral. Well, I used to feed the fire. I used to I was horrible. And I'm learning that, you know, my not reacting will help de-escalate it. But it kind of all of a sudden, I feel like I have all these darts in me. Like, you know what I mean? I've been, you know, pretty much the punching bag for speaking. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, like, I guess for anybody that's listening in terms of like wellness for the family members and how to deal with something like this and for someone who's very resistant to getting any kind of help, what do you do? 

Jordan Lally 14:01
Lead by example? Well, nothing. I mean, that's obvious, but it's not so obvious for a lot of people. You know, like, yeah, there's there's a lot of 

families, parents I connect with. And they I've been certainly asked to like, come speak to my kiddo and, and, and I, I always encourage them to like practice before you start preaching. 

Wendy Beck 14:25
You know, I've changed a lot about myself in terms of like learning how to react and speak differently. And it it was almost like in the beginning, like, come on, like I why do I have to walk on eggshells to protect your feelings all the time? And it wasn't that I was doing anything wrong. It was just what was triggering her based on like grief, of losing her sibling to, you know, divorce and all of these things. Bullying, like, we got a whole like this, you know, ball of fire that's going on. And her triggers, you just don't know when they're going to be. I mean, things are good right now, but I feel like I keep saying to myself, when these little tiny moments happen, I need a support group. The support group like honestly, like I need a support group. And so maybe me being here today because is is a good segue way for me because honestly, like, I feel like it's a no win situation. A lot of times it. 

Big Infinite 15:25
Really. 

Wendy Beck 15:25
Is. And I'm just like sitting here going, you know, doing some gratitude practices in the morning. Like what I'm thankful for that she brought me home some food from her work and, you know, like finding these little things in the moment. And like I said, we've come a long way. But I feel like what you said, taking your mental health in your own hands is kind of what she's done. And she's taking a lot of stride in that. But I feel like there's this whole thing where I want her to get help and be around people that can help her. But there's this the stigma for within the group of the the late teens like not wanting to do that. 

Andre Toney 16:04
So so is she willing to seriously and she's not willing to talk about it. 

Wendy Beck 16:08
So no more talk about anything. 

Andre Toney 16:09
So and you know, I don't know if this is what you were saying earlier, but just to make sure that, you know, you're talking about your own struggles, because I think sharing because that's, you know, trying to open line of communication, because nobody I mean, nobody is going to be really willing to talk about their struggles unless they feel like they're in a spot where, you know, it's kind of a shared thing when they feel safe. Not that they're going to be judged, you know, for that for what they're struggling. And so. 

Big Infinite 16:36
Yeah. 

Jordan Lally 16:37
I did not speak to my parents about anything I was going through, and it was really Dad's suicide that sort of opened the conversations in our family. But from their perspective, they were like, I like to say, super Catholic. 

Big Infinite 16:50
Oh. 

Jordan Lally 16:50
They were going to be perfect. And what they presented on Sundays is kind of what they did their best to, you know, to uphold. They were going to share their vulnerabilities with their kiddos because I think they thought if they shared them, then that's putting a seed an idea now. Yeah. Oh, have you had a drink in college or. I guess I will or whatever. I don't know. I can't take that exact. Right. Sure they did. Worse than that. 

Big Infinite 17:11
But, but. 

Jordan Lally 17:12
But Andre's point, like, I think vulnerability is a doorway for other people to walk through, Right? So if I say, you know, to make it as as a grown up and my my oldest is just get into middle school. So we're starting to get into some conversations. But I kind of feel my my whole my whole plan and what I've tried to, you know, age appropriately do is just really share my mistakes and my shortcomings and my anxieties or whatever and frame it sort of in this accessible, hopeful perspective, because I think that that's a doorway for them to. 

Big Infinite 17:44
Yeah. When the time comes. 

Jordan Lally 17:45
Right. You're saying you've learned and I'm certain learning like space is so important. 

Wendy Beck 17:50
It very much. 

Jordan Lally 17:50
I was not given space and has grown up and I think when my daughter's first born I was like, I'm going to fix everything before all the fires, before the embers even get going. And I'm certainly learning how important spaces I was. 

Rich Bennett 18:02
The same way with with my parents. We never talked about it. And it wasn't until last year. Last year, two years ago, I guess I finally talked to my wife and my kids about it and, you know, told them what I went through and then finally talked to my sister and my brother about it. And I think because I was I was on lady's pocket. So I even purchased the episode. But what amazed me was how many friends and other family members reached out to me, also going through problems. And it's like, let's talk about it, you know, whether it was sexual assault, whether, you know, if if you had I forget the term for it, suicidal thoughts, radiation. Okay. Yeah. Or, you know, depression or anxiety. Yeah, I'm here. Let's talk about it because when you do talk about it, it does help. And I think a lot of times, you know, people 

people are afraid to talk to somebody about it because they think that that person doesn't know what they're going. Well, that person doesn't know what they're going through. But they if they feel like you've never gone through it, why are they going to talk to you? And I think once they find out that you've gone through it, it makes a difference and everybody is different. The thing that pisses me off and we may have talked about this before is if you know somebody is going through anxiety, depression or whatever, it don't sit there just, you know, and tell them, Oh, just do this, you'll be fine. It's all in your head. Well, first of all, number one, no shit. It's in your head. Yeah, but you everybody's different. You can't just talk to them. Say, Oh, no, everything's going to be all right. We can. 

Jordan Lally 19:49
Just saying that at the school assembly is like. It's not about, like, to be there for someone else. It's not about giving advice. Yeah, and sometimes the last thing you want is someone to give you advice, right? Just about holding space and listening. And if anything, maybe. Yeah, just. Yeah, Compassion. Just. It's okay. You're going to be. Yeah, I've been there too. Something along. 

Big Infinite 20:07
Those lines. 

Rich Bennett 20:08
And I think that's a big thing is the listening part. You know even if if you don't say anything back, a lot of times that's what people need. That's going through something just for you to listen. 

Big Infinite 20:21
Yeah. You know. 

Rich Bennett 20:22
I know that helps out a. 

Emily Adoplh 20:23
Lot. And to understand. So. Yes. Or difference, right. There's that listening to respond, to understand. And I find so many times people listen or respond, right? Instead of boring space sitting in the stillness of waiting to really take in what somebody is saying and then respond. 

Jordan Lally 20:44
Because. 

Wendy Beck 20:45
That's learning. They are, Oh, I know what you mean. 

Big Infinite 20:47
That ego. Yeah, yeah. 

Wendy Beck 20:50
You got to learn that. 

Emily Adoplh 20:51
Oh, big time. It's a practice. Yeah. Like everyday. Yeah. It's a problem to learn to just sit, allow somebody to really communicate and then maybe take a minute before you respond right to, you know, have that conversation. 

Rich Bennett 21:06
With with this program because you're doing it well the one thing at the schools. But what about as far as the wellness program with just the teachers? Have you thought about that? 

Big Infinite 21:16
It's interesting you mentioned that. Oh, 

so that almost like we. 

Jordan Lally 21:21
Planned it, but we did not. 

Big Infinite 21:22
Know. 

Jordan Lally 21:24
So one of our initiatives. So when we started visiting schools, it was sort of like, you know, how many schools we had in a semester, right? And then really over the last few months, it's become apparent that we want to spend a little bit more time with each community we visit. And it's tough just to get in. The schools in the first place are a million reasons why not to have these conversations and scheduling is always the first one they try to tell us. But also a lot of administrators don't want to don't open the door to right because they believe I'm sure we've addressed this before with the idea is that if you talk about suicide, you're planning to see that the exact opposite is true. It's actually a bridge connection. Yeah. So what our plan is going into next year as well, as well as rolling out the elementary program, is to if we visit a school and we're doing an assembly for the students, then ideally the night before we're going to do a parent program. We piloted this at John Carroll in the fall. So we connect with the parents. And then again, ideally, we also have a session that week, a wellness session for the for the administrators and staff and teachers and stuff so that we can enact this cultural shift in the community. Right. Right. And if we're only there for two or three days, two or 3 hours, collectively, at least, we visit, you know, connect with everybody. And then the one thing we always heard from from the schools that we visit, again, just connecting to the students, is that all of a sudden they were having these conversations in the classroom the next day, like different kind of conversations and maybe, you know, so we feel like we can maybe foster that momentum more if we you know, connect with the teachers and with the parents as well. 

Rich Bennett 23:01
With the schools, because I'm sure you've been back to the schools that you've been to before, right? 

Jordan Lally 23:06
Yes, Some of them, yes. 

Rich Bennett 23:07
So hopefully this will work the same way with whether it be the teachers, the parents and the businesses, because staff changes and if they talk about it and realize that what you guys came into did make made a difference, that you guys are going to be busy, 

which is a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah. Because you're people are talking about it and you have to. 

Wendy Beck 23:36
Yeah, educating the parents is really important. Yes. Because you don't really know when these, you know, this anxiety or this depression or all of these things that are happening to our kids all of a sudden happen. So like the first thing that we think of as crisis center, because that's like the only thing we can think of. And I'll tell you what, that's not the answer. 

Big Infinite 23:56
And it's used as a weapon to like, shut you up and be like, That's to happened to me. Like, I remember being in high school being like, Hey, I'm kind of suicidal and being told, Well, shut up, you're going to be an I like you and Shepard. Proud of you, right? Yeah. It's like, that's not the way you talk to people, right, in that situation. 

Wendy Beck 24:11
So that's what I feel like we need to learn because we don't know how we're reacting. Yeah, we're reacting based on what we've learned in our history from our parents and so on. But now, like our teens and even younger are so different. They're so different like anxiety is like through the roof, depression, all of it. And they have they all have, you know, these symptoms to some 

degree. And I just feel like as a parent of someone that, you know, has struggled with a lot of these things, like I approached it overall, you know what I mean? And I'm just learning as I go like, okay, now shut up now, you know, give her space. Now. Do you know, educate yourself? So like, how do you, you know, talk to the parents? Like, what would your what would your like top five, you know, suggestions be? You know, for someone like me who's like, what's happening? You know, she's not getting out of bed. What's happening? She won't go to school. What's happening now? We have an eating problem, like what's happening. And like, the more that you try to, you know, intercede, the more you're pushed away and then you kind of, like escalate it in your own mind. You know, being a parent of someone that has already lost a child to something else, you know, now this is we're having these same things that are happening in a different circumstance and my trauma is coming back. 

Big Infinite 25:35
Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 25:35
So, you know, that's like real like it's a real domino effect. Yeah. And it sucks. 

Jordan Lally 25:42
I mean, the first thing that comes up, thank you for sharing. Yeah, it's really powerful stuff. 

Big Infinite 25:48
So I need a counselor I know you don't know anything about. 

Jordan Lally 25:53
And I, you know, I don't mean to be redundant, but, like, the vulnerability is the number one thing that you said. Top five. That's the top of the list. And the self-care is the top one because you don't want to parent from a place of fear. And I know it's easier said than done, particularly given your experience is. But if you can do all the work that you can do to inside, right, that's going to inform how you're going to approach anyone else in your life. And then when you've done real work, then that vulnerability is just a natural extension. It's amazing. I mean, in my household, extended household friends, family, people in this community who I've never met before from all walks of life because I've become we've become and the foundation has become like this, not mental health like cycle, just we got it all together. But this is sort of beacon of vulnerability, right? Like the amount of people that will approach us and say and divulge and share everything is amazing. So and again, that's happened in my own household. So that's like the top on the list is that vulnerability piece. I mean, the second thing that that we aim to do when we visit with those parents is arm them with resources, whether it be the, you know, the client family crisis center or the 98 number. So that, again, you don't have to worry, you know, you don't have to parent from that place of fear if you have some resources at your disposal, you know, therapists and psychologists and those kind of people in our network that we know. And then the, you know, the mindfulness, accessible and breathing practices and those kind of things that the niche that I think we feel that we're aiming to fill as our organization grows is there, it seems to me, to my level of awareness to be a lot of a lot of resources at the moment of crisis or a lot of money poured into those resources. But nobody's talking about long term addressing mental health, right? And so if if maybe you had had some of the awareness and the resources and stuff and maybe an organization like the A foundation visited, you know, your school and taught and spoken to the parents, maybe you would have been able to handle things differently before it. Even the momentum even, you know, sort of escalated bangor's struggles. 

Wendy Beck 27:59
Right. Totally right. 

Jordan Lally 28:00
Is if you can engage a kid, you know, when they're just dealing with stress, before it becomes anxiety, before it becomes panic, before it becomes suicidal ideation, before it becomes a suicide attempts, if you can get in early and and tell them it's okay, that's normal. And, you know, I experienced that, too, and here's what I do. But also, at the end of the day, it's up to that individual, no matter what age they have to have a willingness to heal. And sometimes and and I speak from my own experience. Sometimes you have to hit a rock bottom before you're willing to do anything about it. 

Wendy Beck 28:30
I mean, we're not in crisis. I mean, I'm not trying to like say that right now because we have really have come a long. 

Big Infinite 28:35
Way, it sounds like, you know. 

Wendy Beck 28:37
And so, you know, but I was parenting from a place of fear. And I didn't realize that, like, honestly, when you said that, I was like, oh, you know, Yeah. So, you know, like the not answering the phone or just like, all of it, like I was putting, like, old trauma on to and different behavior and I was failing. So like for me and other people, like, I feel like we don't take into consideration like, what they're going through. Like, we don't know. I don't have that perspective. I don't know about the bullying and the cyberbullying and all of the things that are happening to them. I don't have a point of reference personally, so that like that to me is like I'm like, it's the phone. I never gave the phone in the seventh grade. You know, really. 

Andre Toney 29:25
So like, like to step back into those shoes like 20 years ago, you know, my fear was that I would, you know, I would be labeled, you know, you know, your depressed or whatever. And then I would be medicated, you know, because that's all that, you know, that you know, that that's kind of all that some people know. But there's so many other ways, you know, to treat mental illness. This mental health crisis that I wasn't or definitely was not aware of back then. So I wasn't about to bring anything up. 

Wendy Beck 29:55
Well, thank you, guys. But then it's important and I think it's yeah. Needs to be talked about it away. 

Emily Adoplh 30:02
From in this day and age to just you're talking about cell phones and just sitting here listening to this conversation and I'm just dialing into my own recent experience of like really going through some deep stuff for myself and finding that the power really does live within us, but it also lives within our deep connection to grounding on the planet. There are so many healing properties and benefits. Literally. It's called earthing and I you take off your shoes, get your naked feet and just stand on the earth for 20 minutes. And it's like the earth just takes all that negative energy. 

Rich Bennett 30:43
It feels good. 

Emily Adoplh 30:43
I that and it grounds literally into the earth. And after 20 minutes of doing that, your body, you'll feel a shift of that energy because it's all energy, right? All that stuff is energy. All these negative thoughts, emotions, feelings. That's what it is. So we have to find a place to let it go. Like for it to yeah, for it to kind of release and settle somewhere else. Not within us. So I feel like that's a big piece that we could be part of, like just educating people in general. It's like you're feeling overwhelmed, you know, practice breathing, but just go sit outside for a minute. 

Rich Bennett 31:27
Take in the nature. 

Big Infinite 31:28
A lot of people don't get outside. 

Wendy Beck 31:29
Yeah, I was going to say. 

Rich Bennett 31:30
Which is a big problem. 

Wendy Beck 31:32
Oh, yeah, it's not does not do you know. 

Emily Adoplh 31:34
Yeah, but it's so funny so quickly. I want to pick this up and be like, Well, let me try and not think about it. Scroll like, yeah, it's cool. 

Big Infinite 31:42
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:43
Don't listen to the counselors. Want to talk. Okay. 

Big Infinite 31:45
Oh, I go on a whole monologue about. Life coach influencers and their bullshit. Oh. 

Rich Bennett 31:54
You're Grace. Hey. 

DJ Fritzges 31:55
So I was going to say, like, speaking about grounding and stuff, like, one of my favorite meditations is listening to the human resonance. 

Big Infinite 32:00
Oh, yeah. 

DJ Fritzges 32:01
Earth frequency. And that's. Oh, my God, it's great. I just love going outside to sit in my backyard and I'd like one airpod in and got that going in one ear. And I'm just listening to the nature of the other and just. 

Rich Bennett 32:13
What is it? 

Big Infinite 32:13
The Schumann resonance I never heard. But yeah, check it out. 

Emily Adoplh 32:17
The natural frequency of the earth, like those, you know, vibrational frequencies of the planet and, you know, just even, even even healing levels of the body. Yeah. Certain frequencies that can help with, you know, certain things you're dealing with, you know, in yourself. 

DJ Fritzges 32:37
You got really into the frequencies and different. 

Big Infinite 32:40
Yeah. I mean. 

Emily Adoplh 32:40
Music is psycho killing in general. Yeah, really, You know, the vibrate. So. Yeah, vibration and energy. Right. But yeah I mean the Schumann resonance. 

Rich Bennett 32:50
Yeah. Mean so when I get home, I'll have to tell Alexa don't, don't play the trumpet because I went to Schumann Resonance I think it helps me And pink noise Oh man. 

Andre Toney 33:01
Oh, the throat singing wants to do stuff too. 

Rich Bennett 33:03
Yeah, I. Yeah, I've heard about that. I don't. I don't know how. I don't know if I could do that. 

Big Infinite 33:12
It's, it's. 

Rich Bennett 33:13
Have you ever heard the searching or you explain to through singing. Yeah. Like I can explain. 

Big Infinite 33:17
How good. 

Rich Bennett 33:19
Like they're. 

Andre Toney 33:19
Basically making two different sounds at once is this I read this years ago like the Tibetan throat singers. 

Rich Bennett 33:26
Yeah, it's. Well, it. 

Andre Toney 33:28
Does make the vibration one kind of. 

Rich Bennett 33:30
Frequency. Yeah. Yeah. See, like, as I said, I wouldn't be able to do. 

Big Infinite 33:33
It about. 

Emily Adoplh 33:34
Like where we hold stuff one obviously in our bodies. Yeah, a lot of it's in our gut, right? And so when we find ways to, like, really straddle and shake that up in there and what he's talking about, that's what brings it out. You know, think about if you've ever been at space really so low and you're literally gut crying like you're feeling it in your gut. Well, if you wail and you broke your release and so much stuff like just by wailing and that's essentially what he's referring to is just that that that inner vibration. 

Jordan Lally 34:06
Yeah. Also sort of say to another big part of mental health, which is gut health and like that is something that that we have yet to really tap into as an organization. We're definitely going to there's going to be one of our feature initiatives is educating people on man, what you put into your body and all the neurons in your gut and in your stomach are influencing your mood and your thoughts and all those things. And I think everything we're talking about here is it's really it's got to be a multifaceted approach to emotional health. Like you got to obviously connect with nature and you got to connect with one other people, talk about your stuff and then have these wonderful social interactions and you've got to eat a certain fair amount. You got to move your body, you got to exercise, maybe you got to do some breathwork meditate. It's a bit of everything and it doesn't have to be overwhelming. It's sort of like can be little bits and pieces that you that you, you know, you're allowed to look at the cell phone and maybe just. 

Big Infinite 34:59
Incorporate a few words like. 

Rich Bennett 35:00
The decline of. 

Andre Toney 35:01
Physical health that's kind of gone hand in hand. 

Big Infinite 35:04
Yeah. So that's what we. 

Rich Bennett 35:06
Used to talk about with gut health. So my daughter turned me on to this app called Yucca. Yucca? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got. Okay, She's like that. You need to use this. We go grocery shopping, you scan the basket, it will tell you how bad something is for you. Yeah, I get heartbroken. I think she would know why I didn't get her Pop-Tarts. I said, Well, because we're both scared. It's a very poor form. So I got you these instead. We treated it like nothing. Allergen. She doesn't like them. 

Big Infinite 35:36
She shouldn't eat, what I gather. 

Rich Bennett 35:40
But it's true. I mean, you think about a lot of this stuff we eat. Oh, my God. All the different chemicals and all. That's it. Do we pay attention to that? Some people do. 

Wendy Beck 35:49
But I was like. 

Rich Bennett 35:50
We do a. 

Wendy Beck 35:50
Podcast just this week and I don't even remember what it was, but they. 

Rich Bennett 35:53
Were. It wasn't mine. 

Wendy Beck 35:54
No, us. 

But about how your cells in your body are actually made out of what you eat. Yeah. If you're not eating healthy, your cells in your body aren't healthy. I can to the name of it if you want. I don't remember. But I listen to like what, Mel Robbins. A lot, you know. Here she is. We have Rachel Hollis. 

Rich Bennett 36:15
Rachel Hollis. 

Wendy Beck 36:16
So they always have a lot of different people on. But you don't. 

Rich Bennett 36:17
Listen to truth and levity. Oh, 

shame on you. 

Wendy Beck 36:23
Sorry. 

Rich Bennett 36:24
Don't. Don't apologize to me. Apologize, Jordan. It's his podcast. 

Wendy Beck 36:29
This is like, my first, you know. 

Rich Bennett 36:31
That's okay. That's all right. 

Big Infinite 36:33
You know. 

Jordan Lally 36:33
Speaking of Mel Robbins, I was just 

scammed. I attempted to be scammed by No, not by Mel Robbins. 

Big Infinite 36:42
But I just got an email, you know, from Mel Robbins. 

Jordan Lally 36:46
Podcast at GMA dot com. And it was very formal, legit looking. You're invited to be a guest on the on the podcast. And it was very well thought out about the band and and mental health stuff. It was yeah. And it was. 

Rich Bennett 37:00
Amazing what that was. 

Big Infinite 37:02
The Oh that was the first. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But then like it was, it was professional enough and I'm like I'm not going to look the gift horse. 

Jordan Lally 37:09
In the mouth and let my history of being a skeptic like. So I responded once and then whoever responded first, they said the name Jason with the Y. 

Big Infinite 37:18
And the second time it was days without. That's y. I'm like, you know your own name. If you were representing Bill, they had for money. Though, because normally they ask for money upfront. That's what I'm like now. They were going to give us give Big. 

Jordan Lally 37:28
Infinite $3,000 to appear. 

Big Infinite 37:30
In a show 

even though Robert's way is you used to pay. 

Emily Adoplh 37:34
But first you got to give him your bank account. 

Big Infinite 37:36
Yeah, of course they were. To give you a check for 5000. You cash it and give us a check back. Two. I have never like, I'm. 

Jordan Lally 37:44
I'm done deleting those things. This is the first one in years that I've actually given a second look. 

Big Infinite 37:48
I mean the amount of thought that went. 

Jordan Lally 37:50
Into this thing, that's why I couldn't do this. Well, their name. 

Big Infinite 37:52
Wrong, because. 

Wendy Beck 37:53
Well, you know, we. 

Big Infinite 37:53
Put a lot of work it. 

Wendy Beck 37:55
Be t they can tell you to do anything now. 

Rich Bennett 37:58
Yeah, but you can there's a way you can tell. Has been written by there's certain things you can look for. It's, it's funny you mentioned that because I'm getting emails all the time from so-called publicists inviting people or want me to have somebody on my show. And it's a lot of them come from Gmail accounts. Yeah. And I'll respond back, please. I mean, send it from your professional email, please. Why are you using that? Gmail? If you're if you're a publicist company, why are you using Gmail? So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. Back to the prior because I've thought about this. When you guys are talking and with parents and, you know, workplaces have a lot of entrepreneurs out there now, a lot of social partners, you still have a lot of stay at home parents. So how can we reach those? How can you guys reach those people if they don't have a workplace to come to some of their kids, especially with COVID, A lot of those COVID kids are out of school now and we know how. You know, it seems like that class is still. 

Wendy Beck 39:06
Struggling. 

Rich Bennett 39:06
Big time. Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 39:08
That's what my point of. 

Rich Bennett 39:09
So how can we get like 20? You said 20, right? So 20 of them people together for you guys to come and talk to them. 

Jordan Lally 39:17
That's a wonderful that's a lot. 

Rich Bennett 39:18
I mean, I have an idea. I just want to hear what you said. 

Jordan Lally 39:21
I think we're going to go with your plan or whatever it is. It feels good. 

Rich Bennett 39:25
Like some other nonprofits to hold sessions, whether it be Lions Club, Rotary Clubs, where you have 20 people. 

Wendy Beck 39:34
What do you mean another? 

Rich Bennett 39:36
Okay. So they they're going to the workplaces. They're going to the schools. But you got a lot of like you you know, you you work for yourself basically now. Yeah, same with me. So there's not a workplace I can go to and have them come in and talk. So we do like a Lions club. The Lions Club holds a thing like when you came and spoke to us, bring in people from the community, tell them what it is and have them come. So we could do the. 

Andre Toney 40:03
Power of expression in front of, you know, two people. Yeah, we. 

Jordan Lally 40:07
Do a community event. We get we can connect on mic. 

Rich Bennett 40:10
Well, I'm thinking both ways too. I mean, do that because you're going to have kids and you won't definitely hit the kids with that. But a lot of parents that don't know how to talk to their kids that are going through this, or even parents that are going through it, you know, you got to reach them as well. 

Andre Toney 40:26
I'm saying you're saying try people. That could be, oh, 100, whatever. You know, how many people you can get in a place. We could do power for you all. 

Rich Bennett 40:33
Pack up. I'll pack up a place. 

Big Infinite 40:36
As. 

Andre Toney 40:37
Well is which is like QPR especially. It's like. 

Rich Bennett 40:39
Right. 

Andre Toney 40:40
I can only, you know. 

Jordan Lally 40:41
Smaller population. 

Andre Toney 40:41
Yeah, exactly. 

Rich Bennett 40:43
Well that's, you know, if I said that. 

Jordan Lally 40:44
So yeah, I mean any, any and all communities because the again, no matter what incarnation of our outreach we're doing, the main thing we're doing is just creating honest dialogue around mental health. And that's, that's the main thing that that will stand in the way of, of relationships between co-workers, family members or even a relationship with ourselves. Because, yeah, I mean, the one thing that I we come up against a lot, I co facilitate a suicide loss support group and you know, to lose someone to suicide is a very unique experience because you don't have the same support because a lot of people don't understand it. You don't know what to say. And the people that come in, they're one of the main things we're breaking down is, well, first of all, we're creating a support group that is sort of, you know, unique to suicide loss. But also we're breaking down the stigma that everybody has inside ourselves that we don't even realize that we have around mental health because we don't have we don't have the relationship with our brain that we do with our heart. We still the very personal we don't realize that it's just an organ and, you know, an organ that can become disease like a heart can become disease. We have we had a heart attack over here, but we hold a mental health breakdown in a different light. But we can necessarily maybe talk about it to everybody and we're shamed to say all that stuff. So anyway, I don't know how I got on that, but any population, any opportunity we can have to talk about, I think. Yeah. 

Wendy Beck 42:13
I think that when you were in the workplace, you're kind of you're providing it to people that the employees and it's almost mandatory for them to come. You do something in the community and you're going to have people you're like, maybe I would call, maybe you would come. But that population, those COVID, there's COVID students, they're not going to show up. Nobody's going to tell. Yeah, that's. 

Emily Adoplh 42:35
Like there's got to be I don't know if you're doing this, not like a Zoom kind of thing. I find that also impactful. You know, it doesn't always have to be in person, but like, you know, yeah, I'm thinking out of our minds of what you're saying because there are so many people that are still in this fear base, but they still want to attend things. They just won't go in person, you know? Well. 

Jordan Lally 42:55
We have so we have a a documentary incarnation of what we do that can be disseminated to anybody. Also, one of our our goals that we've set forth for this year and beyond is to start to tackle social media. We've been very light on that, but we really want to know there's a lot of noise on there and we'd like to be a positive part of that, knowing that we can reach some people who are struggling and even realizing that they're struggling and maybe when they stop on something, they they learn a thing or two. Maybe it's just opened the aperture a little bit. And that's kind of that's the way we hope. 

Wendy Beck 43:25
To reach the people that you're. 

Big Infinite 43:26
Talking about because they aren't going. 

Wendy Beck 43:27
To show up. They're not. 

Jordan Lally 43:29
They're not going to. 

Big Infinite 43:29
Log on to their. 

Wendy Beck 43:29
Parents. They would definitely benefit from it. 

Big Infinite 43:32
Yeah, people. 

Jordan Lally 43:33
Don't want to talk about this stuff. 

Big Infinite 43:36
And that's I think it's understandable. Like it's under the rug. The rug is this high, but let's not pretend everything's fine. 

Rich Bennett 43:41
But at the same point, there are people that want to talk about it but don't know where to go. The truth, to talk about it. 

Big Infinite 43:47
Well, yeah, but what I. 

Jordan Lally 43:49
Hope that we do and what I believe we do in the feedback that we receive at least from schools, is, is that we're talking about it in a way that isn't 

like overwhelming and heavy. Right? And so you to me, it's like, I mean, I look forward to just being able to talk about this stuff, like you talk about those games or whatever. Like it's, it's just another facet of life in it. And when you're when you're sort of measuring the darkness with the light and the hope and the tangible and the accessible resources, it doesn't have to be overwhelming. It should just be another facet of health like and maybe you wouldn't run out the door to go to the latest heart attack seminar or whatever. 

Big Infinite 44:26
But maybe if they're playing loud music and the band's kind of cool, maybe you would show up. I don't know. That's something I was talking about my stand up comedy mentor. Like she I'm like I say, who doesn't like, but like she has no health issues. We just like I was talking to her about some of my issues I've had because I always deal with like seasonal depression. And she was saying like, there's no like, like Oprah, for instance. Oprah has a lot of problems. But back in the day or her talk show, like people were talking to having the conversations and that reached a lot of people. And there's really no person to fill that void. And that's something that like I'm kind of when I do my podcast and come out like stand up, it's like that. I'm trying to hold that space in that moment. I'm also trying to make it funny. Like I had my one of my comic friends on for an episode I had in January where we went through like a mental health episode. I have that my friend helped me through and like I got in feedback or it's like, that was a little too intense, but I'm like, No, like we're running that filter through or running it through our comedy filter and making comedy of it. But also, like you don't know who is listening and who that's going to help. But you know, because that that media thing is it that void is gone. Like I remember watching Oprah and she would talk about stuff like this and now it's gone. So. 

Rich Bennett 45:32
So a listener responded and said it was too intense. 

Big Infinite 45:35
Yes. And I was trigger warning. And I'm like, then don't listen. 

Rich Bennett 45:38
But. Well, no, but the thing is, they listened. Yeah, they did. And that's the thing. Yeah. So if they got Tomlinson is right. 

Wendy Beck 45:44
Yeah. Yeah. Taylor Tomlinson, she's a comedian and she's about mental health like that was, I mean, whether you like or I don't know, I like her and I like I was able to identify some of the things that were going on in my own home by things that she was saying, how she was feeling. And I was like, you need to watch this. And it's like, I don't know what's in that, but. 

Emily Adoplh 46:05
Like, we can't be responsive. Well, for somebody else's trigger. 

Big Infinite 46:09
That's what I feel like. 

Emily Adoplh 46:10
A lot of it is anger. Yeah. Like I'm not. If you get angry right now, that's your emotion. I may have said something that triggered that in. Yeah, but who's responsible? Me. Because I said something or you Because you're feeling angry. 

Rich Bennett 46:24
You know, you can say hi to somebody. 

Wendy Beck 46:26
Do you really? 

Big Infinite 46:27
That I mean it. 

Emily Adoplh 46:28
It takes. It takes practice, it takes time, it takes education. It takes everything that's being talked about, this table, you know, And again, speaking from my own literally recent experience of dealing with anger and trauma coming forward from a deep healing session I had almost two years ago where anger was bubbled down inside of me. I buried it so deep that I didn't know is there. It literally came out in the healing session. I was at my aunt's house. I came out of that room and I felt like I wanted to be among those rooms where you could break stuff. 

Rich Bennett 47:04
All the rage, your anger. 

Emily Adoplh 47:06
That's so much anger came out from that healing session. And it literally last year was like the worst year of my life. Worst year in my life. I went into some deep, dark places, but I had to go there and also wish I had gotten support for myself because I thought I could do it all. That's part of it too. Oh, I got this. I can I can figure this out. No, I couldn't. And instead of, you know, my support supporting me, they didn't. And I had to figure it out on my own. And that's where I've been. 

Big Infinite 47:39
And that's a very common experience that people like. They say they're there for you. But then when it comes down to it, they're not. And I'm not like, I know in January, like with my friend, I was like, Just come over, like everything's fine. I just want you here. And also, like, you're a comic and you're going to make me laugh like, yeah it's that we're just like, being there. Like, you don't have to fix it. I'm safe. Like, make sure it like, you know, that's all taken care of, but, like, just, like, come over. Like, let's just, like, shoot the shit and let's hold the space. 

Rich Bennett 48:06
Laughter's good medicine. 

Big Infinite 48:07
Yeah, Yeah. And most comics are dark people. People don't realize that, like, you know, most like, comedy comes from a very tragic, dark place. And that's why it gives you, you know, I would say it's a comedy prism because that light's coming through it and it's like a like under a prism. It turns into a rainbow, like it's. 

Rich Bennett 48:26
If you ever thought about combining the two, what's your music and comedy? 

Big Infinite 48:31
Well, well, this is there I was. In there video. I was in there video for somebody. So how was an opportunity to do the comedy? But, you. Know, I'm a comic and drag. Queens. Okay, okay. 

Jordan Lally 48:44
We can put something together. 

Big Infinite 48:45
Oh, Tonya. 

Rich Bennett 48:46
I wasn't all about, was it? I think you all get I think we all get Brad Williams. Now, I joke, you know. 

Big Infinite 48:54
I the unofficial fourth member. I 

just think it was actually just to show up. That's what they look like. 

Emily Adoplh 49:04
Maybe that's what they are. 

Big Infinite 49:05
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 49:06
They. All right. So somebody if a company wants to get in touch with you guys, how do they do that? 

Jordan Lally 49:11
Website ad Lolly. 

DJ Fritzges 49:13
Foundation board. 

Big Infinite 49:15
Or social. 

Jordan Lally 49:16
Media, Instagram and. 

Rich Bennett 49:18
ID play. Oh, y you got a foundation. 

Jordan Lally 49:21
That we're at Larry Foundation Associates. 

Rich Bennett 49:26
Who's handling all the social media now? That guy where you go, Oh, no, they should give me. Yeah, that's why I use it. 

DJ Fritzges 49:36
I'm the communications coordinator and handle like they groups and events and website and socials. 

Rich Bennett 49:46
So when's the next single Sing, Sing, Sing Sick. 

Big Infinite 49:49
Little. 

Rich Bennett 49:50
Thank you. When's the next single coming out? 

Jordan Lally 49:53
We're in the studio this coming Wednesday to record our next thing. 

Big Infinite 49:55
Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, Yeah. 

Jordan Lally 49:59
We connected our producer and he did. 

Big Infinite 50:02
Like, he did my podcast music. 

Rich Bennett 50:04
Okay. 

Big Infinite 50:05
Knocked it out of the park. 

Jordan Lally 50:06
Maitland Zino is an awesome producer. Engineer is a wizard. Yeah. There's musical. 

DJ Fritzges 50:11
Instruments. You can just. 

Rich Bennett 50:12
Really. 

DJ Fritzges 50:13
Just be sitting there listening to something and just go grab one of his thousand instruments and just be like, but make like a sound you've never even heard with it. And it's like, Awesome. Yeah, it's like. 

Big Infinite 50:22
Fitzgerald All. 

Rich Bennett 50:23
Right, we'll do that tomorrow. You guys going to put it? I don't know. Do they do albums anymore? I don't even know. 

DJ Fritzges 50:30
We'll end up releasing when we get to like, our 12th single that comes out. 

Rich Bennett 50:34
We'll put it all together for one. 

Wendy Beck 50:36
Can can you listen to your Spotify? Oh, it's on Spotify. 

Big Infinite 50:40
Apple. 

DJ Fritzges 50:41
Music, Spotify, Deezer, Google. 

Rich Bennett 50:43
It. What was the other one you just said? These are Odesza. I thought you said, Geezer, let's go look for the old people like me. Right. 

Big Infinite 50:51
Let's all of them did the talk. 

Rich Bennett 50:54
I mean, we talked about schools, workplaces and so forth. Have you guys thought about going into like assisted living places? Because a lot of people your thought about it. Oh, you thought about it, right? 

Jordan Lally 51:04
Oh, yeah. We have a weekly Tai chi class for seniors and it's virtual now. But we recently had our board meeting on Wednesday night with our board members. We talked about maybe doing some outreach directly in assisted living places. 

Rich Bennett 51:18
All right. Are really talking telescopic Lee here. So he saw these things and I think yeah, that's it Telepathically telepathically telescope. Either way I can see what they're talking about, you know, great. 

Big Infinite 51:32
That we're going to be that big. 

Rich Bennett 51:35
For me. 

Big Infinite 51:37
What's it. Yeah. 

Andre Toney 51:39
I don't know. I don't know if we mentioned it on air as well though. The men's group. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 51:44
Oh yeah. The men's group told me that. 

DJ Fritzges 51:45
The men's mind for mental health that meets the first Tuesday of every month at Cor Bar yoga in Bel Shout out the core body yoga and it's at 6:30 p.m. and it's also hybrid so you can join through Zoom. 

Jordan Lally 52:00
That is this is something that we so our whole journey started like 

I we were on tour in Florida when I got the call. My dad passed away and so these guys rallied around me and we spent 17 hours in the bay. Andrew I'm from Florida back to Maryland, and I think that that experience singlehandedly sort of pushed us in the direction we are because it was like for 17 hours I was crying. These guys were there for me and there was none of that vulnerability ever before. We were brothers in a band, drinking, you know, whatever Pabst. 

Big Infinite 52:33
Or whatever we were Pabst Blue Ribbon, Natty. But like, nobody. 

Jordan Lally 52:38
Was crying or talking about anxiety or depression, right? But we just sort of forced on us. And and so one of our as a band, one of our one of our goals is to show that that holding of space that was forced on us in that moment, then naturally extended. We started talking openly and honestly. And that it wasn't just about my dad, it was my struggles in their struggle. And then it was transformed. If to have that sort of bond that wasn't predicated on the superficial stuff, but it was deeper. And so it's really important for us to to create that space for for other other people. We have we have suicide loss, and we're going to bring our women's group back shortly. But for men specifically, because there's not many groups or men can come and just be like, Hey, man, I'm struggling today or whatever. And so we were virtual for a while. We started to group during COVID. As DJ said, I don't know if it was on our offer A few months ago. We went in-person and it is I think we have like 20 registered, 25 registered members, but usually it's like 5 to 10 that show up. But we really want to grow the group and we want it to be 

half support group, half workshop, learn these techniques and strategies. But what we experienced in those in those meetings is amazing. Like, yeah, it's like not what you see, you know, at the Ravens game or whatever, you know what I mean? And like we like the Ravens and we're, we're dudes too. But like there's another layer too to men in a right way. 

Rich Bennett 54:05
Yeah. 

Big Infinite 54:05
Relatively multifaceted again. Yeah yeah. 

Emily Adoplh 54:08
And there's such a stigma unfortunately for you guys, I feel like I can't talk about that. 

Jordan Lally 54:14
So we want to break down and, you know, if you could be a fly on the wall. So these meetings, it is, it is beautiful right. It is. It is. It is beautiful. That's all I can say is and and and you know, certain guys doing great. Certain guys aren't doing great, but everybody's holding space and everybody is sharing openly and honestly. And the thing I think that's that we aim for too is not to be so I mean, you start out with sort of everybody checks and share what you're going through. But then we also check in with the positive things that we're doing to proactively approach our mental health. So it's like every conversation ends. Hopefully. So it's not just like pitch in for an hour, does that work? But you got to give voice to it. But you also not to linger there, right? There's other things that we can do. So everybody's lifting each other up and then we end the with a, you know, a breathing technique or a meditation or something like that. And we do we're going to start doing, you know, yearly retreats and stuff like that. So anyway, any gentleman out there would love love for you guys to join us, get to give it a shot. And it's not. It's not. We think it's really just a cool and it's like dudes from all walks of life, like I could. It's a wide, wide cross-section of people. 

Rich Bennett 55:23
And it's a core bar. Yoga. Yeah. 

Andre Toney 55:25
And zoom. 

Jordan Lally 55:27
Or. 

Andre Toney 55:28
Through some kind of. 

Rich Bennett 55:29
Okay, what, like. 

Jordan Lally 55:30
A first. 

DJ Fritzges 55:31
Tuesday of every month? 

Jordan Lally 55:32
630. 

Rich Bennett 55:33
Six six. 

DJ Fritzges 55:34
30 to 730. 

Big Infinite 55:35
It normally runs a little bit late. 

Rich Bennett 55:37
So which, which low key which location the Bel Air. 

Jordan Lally 55:41
Core above bigger. 

Rich Bennett 55:42
Okay what do they have now? 

Big Infinite 55:43
Three or four different things just taking over the world. I know. 

Rich Bennett 55:48
So waiting for open core ice cream shop for now. For ice cream shop. 

Big Infinite 55:53
No. Oh. 

Rich Bennett 55:56
I know. She was talking about. 

Big Infinite 55:58
Going to fourth. 

Rich Bennett 55:58
I think she did. She has a very whole fair. She's what, two in Bel Air, right? Yeah. 

Big Infinite 56:03
And then one in middle. Middle where you. 

Jordan Lally 56:06
Are. She they're opening. 

Rich Bennett 56:07
It up to something to keep them busy. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks For joining us today. Kelly 

That's another thing that, that hit me. And if you guys aren't doing it, Yeah, maybe I'll put you in touch with some people. 

Veterans, places where veterans go. Have you thought about it? Well, you've already thought of that. Dude. This was part of that. Your meeting Tuesday. 

Big Infinite 56:33
Also. Ah, we're we're I'd like. 

Jordan Lally 56:36
To say a small but mighty organization. So we have been able to touch on certain populations. And school outreach has obviously been this is what we do. But 

veterans and first responders in those things is something that that we're we want to do. My primary training in mindfulness is in something called yoga. Nedra also called an SDR, non-slip breast O, a meditation protocol that's also an adjunct therapy for PTSD. So it lends itself naturally to that to that population. So that's something we want to do. We've offered one off classes in the past, but yeah, it's definitely like in the works. At some point, you know, we're going to get there. We definitely want to get support. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 57:18
So when you're ready, you're going to let me know. 

Jordan Lally 57:20
Absolutely. Okay. Gosh, it might. It's maybe this conversational. Well, at least start a one off workshop that we can do, you know, just a yoga Nedra or in idea or workshop because it's a really, really cool therapy. In fact, when I did my training and dream, you're doing training to to be a yoga teacher practitioner. When I do my training, there was an entire it was like me, it was 15. You know, I don't mean to stereotype, but yoga women. And then there was like ten military people from an organization called Vet Yoga Veterans, Yoga, all learning yoga need just so they could take it to their various veteran populations, which was really cool. Yeah. Wow. So it's definitely definitely lends itself naturally to that to all populations. And it's a really it's a really cool, accessible mindfulness practice that. Okay. 

Big Infinite 58:15
Interesting. 

Rich Bennett 58:16
You guys have anything to add besides your website? 

Jordan Lally 58:19
Listen to the Lighthouse in my head Yeah. And listen to like 20 times. 

Rich Bennett 58:22
Listen to all the salt man. What was the latest from somebody? Somebody I can't I still listen to it because it catchy. It's catchy. You can't stop. 

Big Infinite 58:31
Well, when I was doing the cover, they sent me it before it was out. And I literally sat my back earlier this month when it was nice and sunny. And I was I kept listening on repeat and actually painted what the cover was. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's like if you listen on repeat it like it like has that brain warming factor. 

Rich Bennett 58:48
I can't tell you how many different playlists I have. 

Oh, it's good. You got to. Here we are. 

DJ Fritzges 58:54
We have a lyric video out on YouTube for a lighthouse in my head as well. So definitely check that out on YouTube. 

Big Infinite 59:00
You guys filming a music video for it Of sorts. 

Andre Toney 59:04
Yeah. 

Big Infinite 59:05
Oh, yeah. 

Thank you. Do a gorilla video. 

Jordan Lally 59:09
We're doing something, doing a mental health. So every year we do. We choose one of our songs to do a mental health awareness campaign around it. So last year, somebody, you know, featuring Derek's cover art and then we did that and there's part of the video that we did for around men's mental health. You know, we got to visit where we go 545 and it's just sort of this whole campaign around the song, but, you know, around mental health awareness. So this year is this song and what our our plan we're going to start executing this tomorrow is to you know, there's this like, you know, if the trend or it's just a a method on Tik tok where artists will songwriters musicians will sort of go to somebody randomly street and be like, listen to my song. Do you like it or not? It's just about their opinion. So I'm going to take that and kind of turn it on its head. And so board President Justin White, who is just this amazing human being to suffuse it personality, we're going to go out with him tomorrow and just grab random people have them listen to the song. They're not going to know that we're in the band or anything. Right. Just in having a listen to the song and have it serve as an impetus for a conversation around mental health. So you just going to sort of dialogue with them because the lyrics are pretty expressive and and then verse. We're going to interview as many random people as we can, you know, get their give their permission obviously, to release it. Edit that down to these. This is part that social media initiative I was mentioning. And then again, we're just destigmatizing because we're going to hopefully get a cross-section of people from all walks of life and we're going to do it. We're going to record periodically throughout the year. So we'll just be putting those videos out, you know, throughout the rest of 2024. That's pretty cool. And yeah, and we'll see how it goes. Our first attempt at, something like that. But yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:51
And where are you guys going? Well. 

Jordan Lally 1:00:53
Tomorrow we're just going to be Well. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:54
It doesn't matter. You'll hear it afterward. 

Big Infinite 1:00:55
Oh, yes, I got a two dates. 

DJ Fritzges 1:00:57
I can say about four. That June 1st. We got big vibes. It's a live music meditation and it's a little I've got it all out. It's a guided meditation, live music experience, and that's a core of our yoga. At 11 a.m., Jordan will be leading the meditation and we will be accompanying him with music and jam. 

Jordan Lally 1:01:23
That's a that's a fundraiser for the foundation. Okay. 

DJ Fritzges 1:01:25
Yeah. And then June 29th, the band will be playing at Uncle's wine grinds and fasting from 7 to 10. 

Big Infinite 1:01:33
All ages. 

Andre Toney 1:01:34
It's just cool spot. I got to get there. I want to just show my age real quick and credit cake and their music video for short Skirt Long Jacket. I feel like they had the idea to put the headphones on and have people. That's. That's why I remember it. Yeah. So yeah, was just trying to give them credit. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:52
Would you say? Sure. You're a. 

Andre Toney 1:01:53
Yeah man. I mean come on a little bit. That came out in the nineties in the 19. 

Big Infinite 1:02:00
Hundreds and 

adolescence. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:03
See if I'd be credited. Somebody should show at my age, I believe I really do. Credit Buddy Holly. Yeah, we're. But that was before me. Okay, maybe the Beatles. I mean. 

Wendy Beck 1:02:14
What were the dates again for those two things? 

Rich Bennett 1:02:15
June 1st. 

Big Infinite 1:02:16
First. You got it? Yeah. 

DJ Fritzges 1:02:19
That one's at 11 a.m. And that's the big vibes. Guided meditation and live music experience. And then June 29th is the band's. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:29
Oh, my uncles were white. 

DJ Fritzges 1:02:30
7 to 10. 

Big Infinite 1:02:32
Okay. 

Jordan Lally 1:02:33
We do a one bar gig a year now. We used to do. 

Big Infinite 1:02:36
Like for a week. 

Jordan Lally 1:02:38
You know, we did it. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:39
So you don't miss it, do you? 

Big Infinite 1:02:41
We do one oh, I used doing it and doing it because these. 

Jordan Lally 1:02:46
Guys enjoy it and our friends and family always wants to do it. So we're doing one summer. 

Big Infinite 1:02:52
I haven't done one in God. It's it's been two years and I'm like, I don't I cannot go back to club. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:57
I don't even like going out to the bar. 

Big Infinite 1:02:58
I don't either. It's like it's not fun anymore. 

Jordan Lally 1:03:00
It's so that's this. That's how I pick uncles because it's. 

Big Infinite 1:03:03
It's well, first of all, it's a restaurant. We're old men. 

Jordan Lally 1:03:06
So we're like, we're not going to do that tended to I am no. 

Big Infinite 1:03:09
To do it. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:10
For 7 to 10 and. 

Jordan Lally 1:03:11
7 to 10 and I'll see. 

Big Infinite 1:03:12
If I can in the ninth. Yeah, but it's outdoors. 

Jordan Lally 1:03:16
It's the tiki bar and it's family friendly. So everybody will be out with their with their, you know, kids and stuff. 

Big Infinite 1:03:22
It's nice to. 

Jordan Lally 1:03:23
Meet. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:23
You there. You know, I just had a guy on. He's played bass all the time. He said, Rich, I know I'm getting older now because now I do a duo and we're doing coffee shops. So this way I can be at home in bed by 8:00 instead of sitting up at the bar at 8:00. He said, That's how I know I'll get it all You do at the coffee shops are wineries at the door. Today is like, Well. 

Big Infinite 1:03:48
I remember my Vegas act when I was that when I was making our conversation, I would sometimes go on stage. I like to was like it was like 1 a.m. call time. And I'm like, We're good. Like, I don't know how I can do that. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:59
I don't miss working. I don't either. Like, yes, Did you guys already give the website. 

DJ Fritzges 1:04:06
The big invented dot com and Ed Lally Foundation. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:09
I knew you gave it Lilly Foundation board, but you didn't get big Internet. No. Your phone down? No. 

Big Infinite 1:04:14
Man. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:15
That's your responsibility, wasn't it? 

Big Infinite 1:04:17
I don't know that we didn't talk about be doing that each other. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:23
Guys, I want to thank you so much. Anybody else got anything for 

you? No, go ahead. 

Jordan Lally 1:04:34
Well, no, I just want to thank you guys for the conversation. Rich rapping. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:38
Oh, you know, the door is always open for you guys. Appreciate.