Secrets of the Supernatural: What They're Not Telling Us with Tom Cahue

Rich Bennett 0:00
Those of you that know me know that I have, I guess you could say, a love for the paranormal. You know, whenever we go camping, we used to go to Gettysburg, Harpers Ferry, all then places. And I would love to go, as we say, ghost hunting. Not the tours. I did not like the tours because they put images in your head. I just loved going there, so I wanted to get some people on to talk about the paranormal. Today I have Tom Callaway, who is the host of Beyond the Radar, a weekly show that challenges the labels and stereotypes that are often I mean, very often attached to paranormal phenomena and people who experience them. 

Tom Cahue 0:41
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 0:41
So, first of all, Tom, welcome in Ed. 

Tom Cahue 0:44
Thank you for having me. 

Rich Bennett 0:45
Oh, my. My pleasure. This is something I've been wanting to talk about for a long time. 

Tom Cahue 0:50
All right. 

Rich Bennett 0:51
For those who, 

when it comes to the paranormal, explain to everybody what the paranormal is, because I think it's more than just spirits, right? Or ghost, 

Tom Cahue 1:03
Absolutely. So paranormal by definition, we've all encountered paranormal because that just simply means above normal, something outside of normal that there is no explanation for. 

Rich Bennett 1:13
right? 

Tom Cahue 1:14
Some people can also call it metaphysics and things like that. So it could be déja vu. It doesn't have to be just because it could be déja vu, it could be cryptids, it could 

Rich Bennett 1:24
Mm hmm. 

Tom Cahue 1:24
be 

UFOs, it could be, you know, fairy worlds, you know, things like that. The Wiccan, the occult. It could be anything because it just means above normal people might like the term better in mainstream of Supernatural. That sounds a little not as culty as paranormal, but it's roughly it's above nature. It's above natural, something outside of it, even into near-death experiences. Mediums, psychics, things like that. So, you know, thank you for reading that, because I did you know, there are stereotypes out there. People who like paranormal and they're, you know, they're automatically the conspiracy theorists, 

Rich Bennett 2:07
Right. 

Tom Cahue 2:07
crackpots, drugs, you know, drunk, whatever it is, you know, I mean, whatever it is. And, you know, just because we are like that numb can. But again. 

But, you know, I want to give those people a chance to talk because honestly, you know, we're we're moving in into a world where this is becoming more and more common and it's becoming more and more common because we have a little pocket computer everywhere we go and everybody has one. But, you know, we in the paranormal realm, we have to be more skeptical than the skeptics because there are people out there that want to make a buck that are very good with, you know, Photoshop and Blender and things like that of making movies. So we have to, you know, but if we are on the forefront and we are more skeptical than the skeptics, we can control our our realm a little bit. You know what I mean? 

Rich Bennett 3:01
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 3:02
And so that's where, you know, I just wanted to perform a platform for individuals because, you know, if you think ParaNorman, you're like, oh, hauntings and religious, you know, possessions and things like that. And it's there's only one subset of it. 

Rich Bennett 3:19
With that. Do you think a lot of people were? Well, let me rephrase this. So a lot of people that have experienced something, do you think a lot of them are afraid to talk about it and don't want to be shunned by other people? 

Tom Cahue 3:32
Well, yeah, and I'll go one step further. I know that they're scared to talk about it because when I have somebody that I talk to that wants to write me an email that wants to comment on like the Facebook or YouTube thing or send a message or what have you, I will guarantee you that 95% of the time they're like, I've never it starts off with, I never told anyone this or I was afraid I would get ridiculed or made fun of something in that realm. They all do it. So I know they are because a lot of them have grown and most of them now aren't. As it got later in time, most of them aren't the kids. It's not 

Rich Bennett 4:13
Right. 

Tom Cahue 4:13
millennials. Daniels It's anything. It's individuals my age or the next bracket up. You know what I mean? 40 to 60, 65. That's where so to speak, and podcast. That's where my bread is buttered. You know what I mean? Like, that's where that's where everything is. And they tell me, I've never told anybody that I haven't even told my wife this. I haven't told my family this. I haven't. You know, because the certain image when they were growing up was you don't talk about it 

were, you know, and then if you go off in different subjects, there's always different ones like UFOs. It's well, we're in a cold war with the Soviets, so we can't talk about those things. And many people have military service and, you know, under their belts and things like that. So I get people who are nurses, I get people who are ex-military professionals, I get police officers. And, you know, you'll have you know, we'll keep everything anonymous. I'll I'll make your name, you know, I'll make everybody John Smith, you know what I mean? You don't have. 

Rich Bennett 5:10
Right. 

Tom Cahue 5:11
What I care about 

Rich Bennett 5:12
That 

Tom Cahue 5:12
is. 

Rich Bennett 5:12
before. 

Tom Cahue 5:13
Yeah. And often times after the first time, after the second time, then they feel comfortable and are like, I don't care anymore. You know what I mean? And that's what I love. Because now you aren't hiding a part of yourself. It's a little bit cathartic in a way. 

Rich Bennett 5:29
The thing is it correct me if I'm wrong, but lately it seems like you're hearing more about UFOs again. 

Tom Cahue 5:37
Absolutely. No, you're exactly right. And the. This is going to be a time that we won't think about it right now, maybe even another two or three years. But let's say 50 years down the road this time is going to be extremely and I mean extremely written about in history books because of the disclosure hearings in Congress and because of the whistle blower testimony from David Grosch. 

Rich Bennett 6:03
Oh, yes. 

Tom Cahue 6:04
This we have hit that point. Other stories are coming out. The government created the HRO, the all anomalous research organization. So you have a government agency now outside of the cover up. It says, okay, yeah, we'll investigate you over this, but people don't think about that. We're still stuck. You know what I mean, in the cover up mindset. But you have the Aorus website that's government owned. It's called Rogue dot mil. So it's a military Web site. You know, you can go there and see real life unidentified flying objects on their website that are declassified. You can read about Project Code Blue, which please, everybody go Google Code Blue and read the CIA documents on that because they were just declassified and buried. And when I mean buried, I mean, like, you have to know the name or you won't find it, but it's on their website. It's not some. Popular article, some blog or something, anything like that. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is on their official website. You can go look at these anomalous things, but the thing is, you know, getting back to my point about being more skeptical than the skeptics, they're going to be right about probably 80%. And we have to own that, that not every damn thing is going to be a UFO from another planet Inter-dimensional. Depending on your belief system. But we have to realize that we're not looking for 100% of UFOs. If we get 5%, you know, I mean, if you get one, that's more than they were willing to admit in the past. So that's where you're right. You're absolutely right. It's coming out a lot more. They if you type in UFO news and I want people to do this on Google, a little experiment homework for your for your audience. Type in UFO news on Google, just that. What's come up is now there's a page on BBC dedicated to it. There's a page on Fox News dedicated to it. There's a page on MSNBC dedicated to it of UFO news. 

Rich Bennett 8:09
Holy. 

Tom Cahue 8:09
And you can see. But nobody told you that. Now we are we have we'll talk news on UFOs. We'll collect you. Nobody told you that before, did they? 

Rich Bennett 8:18
No. 

Tom Cahue 8:19
So now you have, you know, where 

Rich Bennett 8:22
Wow. 

Tom Cahue 8:22
there's smoke and where there's smoke, there's fire. These are major media outlets. But they never put it on TV. They won't you know, they won't talk about it on their, you know, talking head programs or their breaking news programs. But look, it's on their website. They collect articles. They write report because disclosure has to happen. It has. 

Rich Bennett 8:44
That's right. Hey, they don't have to talk about it. Because you will. 

Tom Cahue 8:47
Yeah. And that's that's fine by me. You know, bring the viewers or bring 

Rich Bennett 8:51
How. 

Tom Cahue 8:52
over. You know. You know? And if you want to get me on TV, I'll say you some ridiculous stuff. 

Rich Bennett 8:57
I never knew that. I'm glad you pointed that out. 

Tom Cahue 9:01
No problem. But it's. 

Rich Bennett 9:03
There's 

Tom Cahue 9:03
It. 

Rich Bennett 9:03
a. 

Tom Cahue 9:03
It's really crazy. Yeah. It's really crazy that, you know, I found this article on CNN about this UFO story I found. And you never realize that things are in plain sight. They want to you know, we as a country are great at, hey, look over here. And we're doing what we're doing over here. You know what I mean? Like that. 

Rich Bennett 9:24
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 9:25
That's what we do. So this is just another proof of it. This, like I said, five years ago, they didn't have this. 

Rich Bennett 9:34
Know this. All right. So those of you listening, if you haven't done that, if you haven't Googled us, UFO news, go ahead and do so. I did. And yeah. Fox News, New York Post. Everything is UFO news. And there's one that now. This is recorded on May 9th at 1116. This one just came out 5 hours ago. Is it a ghost or an alien? 

Creepy video from Las Vegas is not fake and experts explain why and. 

Tom Cahue 10:09
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 10:09
I just want to say there's some government place that begins with a P and ends of a gun that's 

Tom Cahue 10:17
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 10:17
been identified 

Tom Cahue 10:18
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 10:18
in your article. I mean, that I mean, you're right. BBC, NBC, 

Tom Cahue 10:24
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:24
PBS. 

Tom Cahue 10:26
Yeah, when PBS is on it, you know you're on to something. 

Rich Bennett 10:29
The Guardian. Oh, my 

Tom Cahue 10:31
Guardian. 

Rich Bennett 10:31
God. It. 

Tom Cahue 10:32
Major. Yep. Yeah. Politico is owned by our government. It's on the Hill. 

Rich Bennett 10:37
Oh, wow. That's me. I never knew that. I bet the news part. Yeah, 

Tom Cahue 10:45
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:45
well, you just blew my mind. 

Tom Cahue 10:47
Yeah. So when people so this is this is a part of getting back into people like talking about it. This is a part of it because when I tell them that when they see that, it makes it a little bit more okay to talk about because if you're going on rich and you're talking to somebody and they don't believe it, you know, I don't care about it 

Rich Bennett 11:08
There's 

Tom Cahue 11:08
or. 

Rich Bennett 11:08
always going to be skeptics. 

Tom Cahue 11:09
There's always going to be that. And that's fine, because if you know, if they're so focused on their life, then then that's their choice. And you know, you can't change it type of thing. But if they're talking about that and they're like, I don't know, I mean, come on, where's the news about this boom now? Now you can point people. Now you can point people to where it is that that thing has changed. The the UFO about Las Vegas. I read that story earlier today. It's not. Analysts came out, you know, people with more advanced I.T. degrees than me. 

Rich Bennett 11:43
Right. 

Tom Cahue 11:44
I can't prove this fake. So. And you knew. You kind of knew it was in because it's a body cam. Who? It's not going out to millions of people. You know what I mean? You're getting the source from the cop. You know, I mean, right here on this vest or 

Rich Bennett 11:58
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 11:58
what? So you kind of knew in the beginning it's going to be somewhat authentic. But now you have the the people that say, no, this is authentic, this happened. So the lights in the sky, the 911 call, the dash cam footage, the body cam footage. I understand you maybe you haven't seen the creature on the video or the alien on the video or anything like that. But when you have all of those things there, who's to say that one? First of all, it was that night. So you're not you wouldn't see a giraffe in the backyard, You know what I mean? Does that mean giraffes aren't true? You know what I mean? Like, you're not going to see it because it's dark. We as a species are horrible in the dark and in the water. We're awful at it. 

Rich Bennett 12:41
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 12:43
So. 

Rich Bennett 12:43
Without a doubt. 

Tom Cahue 12:45
Yeah. So we can only make machinery to enhance our senses. But if we're not that good, how much better is that going to be? You know, but no body cams aren't going to be the night vision that you needed to see where it actually was. It's not going to be that there was a fence there, but you have multiple angles of that and doctors of intelligence and information technology saying this is real. You got the stamp of approval, but that's not going to be on the TV. They're going to talk about election cycles. They're going to talk about all this kind of stuff because they want to get your mind away from it. And I understand. 

Rich Bennett 13:17
I think I'd rather put my mind on it, man, because with the politics and everything, I don't want to hear that crap. 

Tom Cahue 13:23
No, no, no, no. I mean, who would? You know, this is. You know, this is. 

Rich Bennett 13:30
Yeah. You know 

Tom Cahue 13:31
Who grew 

Rich Bennett 13:31
what? 

Tom Cahue 13:31
up on X-Files, right? This is for us, people who grew up on X-Files. And we are happier than a pig and poop, right? So we are actually getting somewhere with this. The declassified documents. You know, we are about that time, 70 some years 

Rich Bennett 13:49
Hmm? 

Tom Cahue 13:50
coming up for Roswell. You know, Rexburg was 

Rich Bennett 13:52
Oh. 

Tom Cahue 13:53
60 some years. We're coming up on that time. And, you know, there's going to be a lot more of these stories coming out and there's. On my show. Actually, last week I talked about Representative Tim Burchett. Have you heard about him? 

Rich Bennett 14:14
I haven't heard his story, but 

Tom Cahue 14:15
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 14:15
I know who you're talking about. 

Tom Cahue 14:17
All right. So you had Tim Burchett, his district, two United States representative. So real history or geography. He's on the very eastern side of Tennessee. Oak Ridge nuclear bomb where they grew up, you know, So, you know, he's he's he's in a popular area. So it's not just some representative from, you know, some little county. He blew the essentially, you can call him a whistle blower because he said, I know there's cover up going on. I'm not allowed in it. And I think we should. How are you going? So I quote him 

in his article. He said, You don't come with any. We haven't found anything. There's nothing we have not found anything that we would list as extraterrestrial or anything. But in the budget, the next year, they put in for their $10 billion of research. 

So he said, Now, excuse me, where where's that money going? You can't have it both ways. 

Rich Bennett 15:16
Right? 

Tom Cahue 15:16
We did find something we're researching which is perfectly within their right. That's what they budgeted for. We want to research this type of energy. We want to research this type of engine, this type of whatever. Because we found so you can't have it both ways. You either found nothing and no money or you need to start talking about what you're, you know, doing. 

Rich Bennett 15:35
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 15:37
There's a USA spending website. I think it's USA spending dot gov. And this is for any Joe Schmo who wants to see, but don't go on it. You know, I want to stay people away from it because you'll see how much money gets wasted. You know what I mean? But and all of those all of those secret programs are not listed there because they're classified as national defense. So if this is a cover up, why won't you just either stop taking the money or why won't you tell people what's actually going on with disclosure? 

Rich Bennett 16:11
Exactly. 

Exactly. Yeah. It's interesting because I just had a young lady on not too long ago, and. We were, and I had no idea she was going to start talking about UFOs and extraterrestrials. We were talking bad about, you know, spirits and everything that she was taught. I'm going to forget the name of the ship. It was the Hornet or the WASP, which is now a museum. 

But whichever one it was, she was on it. And there was one room that nobody was allowed to go into and she when she was standing in front of it, she sensed like an evil presence there, very bad. But it wasn't human. 

Tom Cahue 16:59
No. 

Rich Bennett 16:59
It was extra terrestrial because apparently they 

I don't know. They had a family of her, whatever. And they were examining the bodies they found on the UFO, on that ship, which is something at least I've never heard about it. But then you get the thing. It's like, you know why? Because we know they found UFOs here. 

Tom Cahue 17:21
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 17:22
Without a doubt. 

You had 

Tom Cahue 17:25
I'm. 

Rich Bennett 17:25
to get here somehow. 

Tom Cahue 17:27
Yeah, you're right. 

Rich Bennett 17:28
So. 

Tom Cahue 17:30
So you have to have the craft. You can't have one without the other. You know what I 

Rich Bennett 17:33
Right. 

Tom Cahue 17:33
mean? To 

Rich Bennett 17:35
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 17:35
me. 

Rich Bennett 17:36
Which I'm surprised they are. All right. Yeah. I'm sorry. Tom, let's face it. If a UFO landed here today, they probably turn around and say. You all people are batshit crazy. Really? 

Tom Cahue 17:50
No, you're. You're right. You're right. And here's another point. If a UFO landed right here in West Chester or right here where you are, and I go outside my phone, take a video of it and upload it, I don't have the confidence that it would actually get to the Internet. 

Rich Bennett 18:08
Oh, no. 

Tom Cahue 18:08
I don't have the confidence that I think there's a net in between 

Rich Bennett 18:12
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 18:12
that would pass that out. That's the little conspiracy, because I can dabble in that, too. But also, let's say there's media, major media, and it's covering and it's landing on the White House lawn. Right. There's still going to be people saying that's fake. They're still. 

Rich Bennett 18:28
You know they will. I know. 

Tom Cahue 18:30
So this creature would have to come up and slap him. 

Rich Bennett 18:35
Well, you know what, Tom, in all honesty. So what was it last month 

in bed, sleeping. You know, wake up because I heard my wife just like, Oh, my God. Or whatever. And she's looking at. I was like, watching his look, and it was the barge running into. 

Tom Cahue 18:54
Yes. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 18:55
Did a key bridge. And I was like, That's fake. That was what I interpreted right away. It's a fake video. Somebody. That's. Yeah, I know that. Well, lo and behold. It wasn't fake, you know. But I think with the UFOs, it's I don't. And even if you if somehow or another if you recorded that video and it was you were able to get on the Internet, you know, people are going to be sitting there saying it's fake. Trying to debunk it in everything. You're not going to believe it. And. 

Tom Cahue 19:31
They take a look at the resume where I work, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it would. And you would. You know, this is what I'd like to say to on the show. You don't? Or the government doesn't have to disprove UFOs. We do a good job of doing that to each other on our own. They don't have to. You know. Talk us, you know, talk crap on us because we will do that to ourselves and, you know, automatically discredit all of this, that and the other thing with things that are relevant or non relevant at all. You know, I work in it so automatically I have to be this hacker that knows how to, if you know what I mean. But in it 

Rich Bennett 20:12
Yeah, 

Tom Cahue 20:12
you could be helpdesk, you could be security, you could be all kinds of different things. But it's just, you know, first level thinking and it's an epidemic because we don't have a lot of people that want can or want to go second level. 

Rich Bennett 20:27
right. 

Tom Cahue 20:27
But what you said, you know, it's right because with A.I. and the growth of A.I.. 

It's going to put that doubt and it's going to hinder our response when an actual thing happens. And it might not be it might not be a UFO, it could be something based here, you know what I mean? It could be an attack on another country. It could be something else, 

Rich Bennett 20:47
Exactly. 

Tom Cahue 20:48
but it's going to lower our response. 

Rich Bennett 20:51
It could be a new plane for the Space Force. Who knows? It could be it could be something new that airlines got out of. 

Tom Cahue 21:02
They're there. They're. 

Rich Bennett 21:03
Yeah, 

Tom Cahue 21:04
And that's why I said not everything is a UFO, because some of this is going to be us. Some of it 

Rich Bennett 21:09
exactly. 

Tom Cahue 21:09
is us. And, you know, they're not going to tell anybody about it because, you know, 

Rich Bennett 21:15
Top. 

Tom Cahue 21:15
it was seen over this place. And, you know, we don't know who has cousins living in China. I don't know. You know, I mean, but they'll come up with some narrative. They'll come up with some narrative that that's why they can't tell us, you know, but. One thing is I know that we have the craft. I believe the whistle blowers. You're not coaxing and getting to the level of the Senate. Somebody is going to find you out along the way. 

Rich Bennett 21:42
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 21:42
That's just my take on it. But I've talked to and again, being in the realm of paranormal it and diving into it, it's all connected. They're all connected. You know what I mean? I hear people say, yes, some of it. I like ghosts and that, but it's all relative. And what I mean by that is the people who I have believed the most have been not useful ufologists, not physicists, not scientists, not, you know, paranormal in ghost spirit. You know, enthuses It's been the psychics. It's been the mediums. 

Rich Bennett 22:22
Really? 

Tom Cahue 22:23
People. Yes, believe it or not. And I said, you know, so so getting on with this. Talking to a very well-known psychic made her way around all of the podcasts, many books out, 

you know. 

Rich Bennett 22:37
Julie. 

Tom Cahue 22:39
No, no, Julie, No, no, no, no. This. Yeah, but Julie is a very good one. This is June. They almost got, you know, June. So she talks about consciousness. And consciousness going from, you know, So when you reincarnate or when your soul comes back to earth, if you are to believe that it can go to any level, not just here on Earth. 

Rich Bennett 23:01
Right. 

Tom Cahue 23:01
And she's told stories of how she's been out in public and somebody feeling weird to her and she looks at them and they talk to her telepathically and says, Just don't even mind me. I'm not from here. Keep on going, you know? And she's like, All right, scare me, you know what I mean? Like that. And also to the point of she can do remote viewing and it's a relatively newer term and I'll get in that second. But she does remove viewing and talked with contractors government contractors and seen and talked to. So this is first and second hand experience. 

Grays gray aliens working alongside our US government to build cleaner, more efficient energy. Because once somebody gets to renewable, clean energy, they will own the planet. And I think that's what the race is everywhere around here. So when she talked about it and said, I seen it and it's not, yeah, you know, they were doing you know, they're working on this and that. But but you can get a sense when you talk to somebody, whether they're trying to convince you or they're just telling their story. 

Rich Bennett 24:15
She still 

Tom Cahue 24:15
And she was just telling her stories. You know, when they're trying to convince you, that's a bigger sign of somebody trying to be unfaithful or non truthful to you. So she seemed totally 

Rich Bennett 24:25
good. 

Tom Cahue 24:25
believable. She's very good. And. 

Rich Bennett 24:28
That's the one I was talking about. Was it the Hornet or the WASP? JEUNET 

Tom Cahue 24:31
Oh, okay. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 24:34
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 24:34
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 24:35
I was floored. 

Tom Cahue 24:37
Yeah. Yeah. And there's. The remote viewing. I want to touch on this for a second. The remote viewing is a sort of relatively new term to mainstream to to, you know, us out here. But it's been studied since the seventies. The government had a super soldier program that wanted to change our soldier from a typical, you know, buff in carrying a rough sack and all that kind of stuff to more of an energy based I can feel. And the use, you know, now they pump these unfortunate souls full of lethal amounts of LSD, you know what I mean? Ungodly amounts, I should say. And what they were. But when they started learning about remote viewing, it actually started to work field. And it was in Vietnam. FIELD The field, the forest. Where is there something manmade? And they were able to tell within a given diameter, oh, there's a sniper over here, you know, because a human's is going to be different than what's in the forest. And they were able to do that. Little do we know in 1983, the CIA and the FBI declassified documents admitting that they were doing that. Admitting that it's real and admitting that there's an astral plane that people can get to. And they buried the hell out of that. 

Rich Bennett 25:57
God. 

Tom Cahue 25:58
So they have to I mean, that that is just please do your own research. Don't just listen to me. Google remote viewing CIA and you can read about this simulation metadata. They called a simulation because they're not under at the time. You don't understand as much as what you do now. And we're not we don't understand now what we're going to understand, you know, down the road, too, so 

Rich Bennett 26:19
Exactly. 

Tom Cahue 26:19
that, you know, people will take that literally like, oh, we're in a simulation. No, no, no. They're talking about an astral plane. They're talking about this level that we can project our consciousness to and leave our body to view. And that's essentially what they were doing. Now, if I go out there and I'm on my podcast or I'm here and I'm saying, Yep, they do that all the time, that's one thing. This is a CIA document, guys. This is this is declassified. There was money spent there. If people probably died on this, you know what I mean? There's there's a ton of information out there for that. And I love what you said about June and then that that entity that she was talking about, the WASP or the Hornet. And the reason is, is a lot of people are believing there's a thought process here that you know, aliens, greys, whatever you want to call them. This is more of a spiritual being. I want to say angels and demons, because that's like to, you know, to the. 

Rich Bennett 27:21
Different things. Well. 

Tom Cahue 27:22
Yeah, but they're more spiritual and there's good ones and there's bad ones. 

Rich Bennett 27:29
But. 

Tom Cahue 27:31
And there's a sort of hidden war going on for our souls. 

Rich Bennett 27:38
Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 27:41
Now. What does that sound like? One side wants your soul for good. One side wants your sofa 

Rich Bennett 27:47
So 

Tom Cahue 27:47
bed. 

Rich Bennett 27:47
for. 

Tom Cahue 27:49
I don't think we're ready to start talking about that. And mainstream religion 

Rich Bennett 27:52
Oh. 

Tom Cahue 27:53
and churches and things like that. But if they were if that's the case and we're just misinterpreting, 

that is absolutely wild. But then does that give more credibility to this thought or not? 

Rich Bennett 28:08
Yeah, well, I don't know. She mentioned that to you when she resigned, but she mentioned, what was it, the space War of of China. 

Tom Cahue 28:18
No, I didn't hear that. 

Rich Bennett 28:19
Oh, yeah. Yeah. She was talking about how. And that's how, you know, we do know there's UFOs because there was a space war above China. Can't remember she when she. 

Tom Cahue 28:31
US an m or two different. 

Rich Bennett 28:34
US. And then I believe it was. Oh, yeah. I mean, just the stuff 

Tom Cahue 28:39
Wow. 

Rich Bennett 28:39
she was told. Bet just blew my mind because I never heard any of that. Go figure. A lot of people never heard any of that. 

Tom Cahue 28:45
You know, you might have the article now. 

Rich Bennett 28:47
Yeah, but. But the thing is, I don't. 

I do believe a lot of people are afraid to reach. 

Tom Cahue 28:56
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 28:57
Because. 

Tom Cahue 28:58
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 28:59
And I don't I don't know why 

life on the other planets might be more intelligent than us. So. 

Tom Cahue 29:08
They probably are. 

Rich Bennett 29:10
Oh. 

Tom Cahue 29:10
They're probably advanced. And, you know, there has to be a connection. There's one and then the other. And I would have to agree where the lower end, because the if you were a lower end, you're not going to the higher end. The higher ends coming to the lower end. So. So I agree with that. You know what I mean? That's probably true. And I don't blame people for being scared because their foundational, fundamental root beliefs of life. 

Could be. Could be turned upside down. 

Rich Bennett 29:39
And I remember growing up and I even mentioned as a judge something you don't hear about it anymore. But growing up 

to think, well, three things that really scared the hell out of us kids growing up and they were talking about it all the time was, of course, UFOs. 

Tom Cahue 30:00
Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 30:01
Bigfoot Sasquatch, you 

Tom Cahue 30:03
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:03
know, in the Bermuda Triangle. 

Tom Cahue 30:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:06
You don't hear anything about the Bermuda Triangle anymore? 

Tom Cahue 30:10
No, no. And the Bermuda Triangle isn't a thing any more. Because if you So what I believe it was, 

Rich Bennett 30:18
Mm hmm. 

Tom Cahue 30:18
was a either military or extraterrestrial base under the water that was frying instruments. Ah, modern. Erm not modern, but our archaic instruments at the time and that was causing confusion and that's what led to you know, do I think they were coming out and pulling them out. No, but I think that's what you know was causing a lot of this stuff. And our, our gadgets have evolved since then. And I think our gadgets can now work either without that interference or that base is not there anymore. So that's why I think that happened. 

Rich Bennett 30:54
Imagine if somebody could ever cause, you know, something like that to stand there. It's very deep. 

Tom Cahue 31:02
Oh, yeah, Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:03
If something could get down there and explore that, that would be amazing. That 

Tom Cahue 31:08
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:08
would be a show to watch. 

Tom Cahue 31:10
It would. It would. But I have to think and let me bring up this, because I like to ask this question to some of my guests and I, I go back and forth on the answer a lot in my head. 

Many people agree that there's a pact and, you know, a technology for X trade off. And I want to ask, what do you think that X is? It's not money. What the hell do they care? You know what I mean? It's not tech for tech because they're advanced. Do you think it could be tech for people? 

Rich Bennett 31:52
It could be tech for people. It could be 

something that's on the Earth that they that that's needed for other planets or whatever. But yeah, tech for people. I could see that. 

Tom Cahue 32:06
I, I would feel it's tech for people. 

Rich Bennett 32:10
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 32:12
What that need is I'm not sure. I have talked to other individuals. Joanne False. It is a very good. Yeah. I don't know if you've had her on. But she she's in that camp as well. Of tech for people and whether it's 

hybridization. I think you know what I mean by that. 

Or some find us very tasty. She's also said that and 

yeah I you know I'm like our government wouldn't do that. And then I stop. Laugh. And I think. 

Rich Bennett 32:54
Yeah, they would. 

Tom Cahue 32:55
Wait. All of this tracks. All of this makes too much sense to me. Of course they would. If 300 million people. Let me give 100,000 over ten years, you know? I mean. 

Rich Bennett 33:09
You know what? Something I learned when I was in the military were expendable. 

Tom Cahue 33:14
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 33:15
And guess what? It's not just the military. People in general are expendable. 

Tom Cahue 33:21
No, because they. They. They own you for being here. If you have that Social Security card, if you have that driver's license, if you have that passport, if you have whatever they own you, 

Rich Bennett 33:34
Yep. And 

Tom Cahue 33:35
they 

Rich Bennett 33:35
they want 

Tom Cahue 33:35
own 

Rich Bennett 33:35
to get 

Tom Cahue 33:35
you. 

Rich Bennett 33:35
more control of you as it is now. 

Tom Cahue 33:38
So, yeah. And, you know, here was a popular one and I forget who was on it, but it was on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he talked about 

they believe, okay, we'll take this and we'll give them something that they can figure out like fiber optics. And essentially they what they are doing is speeding up our evolution, using technology, using technology. They're spreading they are speeding up our evolution because over well, let's look at it this way. Humans have been around for how many hundreds of thousands of years in different variations or forms. And then from 1800, 1900, let's say, around there till now. 

We have exploded. No, we're not growing other arms. No, we're not growing. More things like that. But I'm talking about up here. 

Rich Bennett 34:32
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 34:34
And what we know now is going to be different from a hundred years from now. So I believe they have introduced a symbiotic relationship with technology and human beings where humans got AI, whether we developed it or it was given to us. And AI is developing us to make A.I. better, to make A.I. better, to make it better. And we are on this thing until it reaches some point that we, you know, we get to. 

Rich Bennett 35:05
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, you think about. I started what back? Was it the forties or fifties? 

Tom Cahue 35:11
Year. 

Rich Bennett 35:11
Fifties. And you just look at technology, how advanced and how fast. 

Tom Cahue 35:19
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 35:19
Has come. So, yeah, I would not be surprised. 

Tom Cahue 35:23
Look, in 1902, you had two drunk brothers and a hill in Kitty Hawk. You know what I mean? Push a plane. And it flew for 13 seconds. Within 30 years, you had transcontinental travel. 

Rich Bennett 35:38
Hmm. 

Tom Cahue 35:38
And you had the weaponization of it as well. 

Rich Bennett 35:41
Yeah. Yeah. And now we're. 

Tom Cahue 35:45
So take that 30 years. 

Rich Bennett 35:46
The time. 

Tom Cahue 35:47
Yeah, take that. 30 years. And in 2008 you had this smartphone and 15, it wasn't even 50. I'm talking it now. So let's say within five years, ten years you had everybody with a smartphone, whether it was, you know, and then you had to maintain the iPhone. Samsung's right. 

Rich Bennett 36:04
Oh, I remember because I was in the IT field as well. And I remember years ago we went to a seminar and a guy from Intel was there because we were an intel provider. And he took the pen out of his bag. He said, this is the future, took the pen out of his pocket, took the top of the pen off, put the bottom in a little base, put the top of the pen next to it, hit the top button. Well, then all of a sudden there is a screen displayed on the wall and a keyboard in front of him. 

Tom Cahue 36:39
Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 36:39
Blade that 

Tom Cahue 36:41
Yep. 

Rich Bennett 36:41
was working and that the pen was the computer. We're all 

Tom Cahue 36:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:45
like, No way. Well, I mean, look, nowadays at technology, I mean, your hard drives are that small, Some small. I was just looking for an external hard drive, I think it was yesterday and come across an 18 terabyte external hard drive. 

Tom Cahue 37:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 37:07
For like three years. $7 was like. What the hell? First of all, what do you stored on that CIA 

Tom Cahue 37:14
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 37:15
CIA document? 

Tom Cahue 37:17
CIA. 

Rich Bennett 37:17
So. 

Tom Cahue 37:18
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 37:19
But it's like. 

Tom Cahue 37:19
Now, CAD drawings of UFO ships. 

Rich Bennett 37:22
Yeah. I mean, it's just amazing how how far advanced we've come in technology. Yeah. So, yeah, I would not be surprised if that's the treat. 

Tom Cahue 37:33
I think. I think that's what it would be, because I don't know when you have a higher technology, I don't know if we can compete. Or a higher existence. I don't know if we can compete on the intelligence scale on a mass scale. There's there's very smart people. But I mean, mass wise, then you can with computers. So I think they need a high to be the dominant force on this planet. I'm not talking about Terminator or anything like that, but intelligence wise, they need it to help them more than they would need us. But we have some value. We have to have some, or they wouldn't even deal with us. You know what I mean? And that's where I think it's the trade off of of people, sadly, 

through death or hybridisation or awful science experiments that they do on them. I don't know. I really don't. 

Rich Bennett 38:31
Something just crossed my mind. Yeah. When? When people pass away, a lot of times they're buried, right? 

Tom Cahue 38:41
Yeah, absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 38:42
Throughout the years. I would think by now all the land would have been covered by cemeteries. 

So where are all these bodies going? You can't be piling bodies on top of each other. 

Then again, maybe are. I don't 

Tom Cahue 38:58
Well, 

Rich Bennett 38:58
know. 

Tom Cahue 38:59
so. There's there's some cemeteries where you only rent the land, and after your time is up, they'll dig up the crematory and put something. Put your pot back in. 

Rich Bennett 39:11
Why? 

Tom Cahue 39:12
I can look that up. Yeah, that's. It's awful. But. 

Rich Bennett 39:15
Wow. 

Tom Cahue 39:16
That's what you sign up for. Now, it's not like a year or anything like that. 

Rich Bennett 39:20
Right. 

Tom Cahue 39:21
I think it's like 80 years. It's like that. But some are like that, Some aren't. Because you'll see cemeteries of people buried in the 1700s and things like that. You know what I mean? So but I do believe there are some that way that can consistently turn over. And it sadly, is almost like a restaurant for the dead. Get the table out and put a new one. 

Rich Bennett 39:41
Yeah. I mean. Why they have the vaults in the ground now to. 

Tom Cahue 39:46
That very well could be. 

Rich Bennett 39:48
Wow. 

Tom Cahue 39:48
But there's a lot of residual energy stored in the ground. I should say that. 

But cemeteries. And if anybody ever had an interest of trying paranormal or anything like that, you know, you don't have to go to a ghost. Or if you wanted to, just to get the idea or the terminology or things like that, By all means, go, go do it. But honestly, if you get a $5 recorder from Amazon and a nice camera, you know, go to your local 

Rich Bennett 40:17
Battery. 

Tom Cahue 40:17
cemetery and a lot of batteries, go to your local cemetery, do an EVP, download some kind of free software that you can and play it back and listen to it and hone your craft that way. I mean, you don't that's one thing that is good is it's sort of a cheaper hobby, you know what I mean? To go ahead and do that, you'll see if you watch on TV all this tech and got it. You don't need any. 

Rich Bennett 40:43
Boxes of Darth. 

Tom Cahue 40:44
I know people that can get better answers with two dowsing rods holding it up and asking questions. And you can get an EVP of a $10 Amazon recorder the same way you can off of Phillips's new Sonic. Whatever. 

Rich Bennett 41:00
Actually, I'm not there just in the beginning. But what actually got you into the paranormal? 

Tom Cahue 41:06
Okay, great. So what got me into the paranormal was it was always there around my family. We were the X-Files family. We were the unsolved mysteries family. We were the ones, you know, that were into it. So it wasn't 

shunned or shut up. You know what I mean? When you're growing up, when. No, this wasn't. We lived and breathed it or anything like that, But it was. Don't be afraid of the other side because many of them just want to help you and not hurt you. You know what I mean? You have loved ones that have passed on. They're always around you, that type of thing. And so when it's that way and I didn't live in a haunted house, I'll be very you know, I don't have the kids stories of talking to things and whatever, you know, you mean. But since it wasn't like. I'm sure. Yeah. We'll have actually, 

Rich Bennett 41:57
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 41:57
you know. But since it wasn't shunned or anything like that, it was just normal and talked about. And then as you get older, you go through high school, you get friends, you get college. You know, I mean, you're you're busy 24/7 with different things that you're doing and trying to become who you are. You know, you forget a little bit about it. And then once I, you know, started to get in my thirties and now all of that kind of quieted down. You know, you get a wife and you're married and have out, you know, you start to have more time a little bit at home for what your hobbies are. And that's what got me back into it that way. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 42:29
So have you ever experienced a spirit or anything? 

Tom Cahue 42:34
Absolutely. So I have. So I have a couple ones here that I like to tell on the podcast that are, to me, undeniable. I know what it was. 

Rich Bennett 42:45
Right. 

Tom Cahue 42:46
I don't have an explanation for it, you know. So the the first one was actually at my house, the house I grew up in. 

This one, I feel, was more of a projection. So what I mean by that, and it wasn't even human, it was an animal. So it's it makes it even interesting, more interesting. So. Had a single Oxford, you know, Pennsylvania, a rancher house. So, you know, think of like a double wide on a foundation. That's basically what it was. Basement, three bedrooms, one and a half bath. So I was about 11, ten, 11, something like that. It was it wasn't that old. 

And, you know, we had one living room and that had a TV on it. And then in my dad's room, parents were separated. But in my dad's room there was a T.V.. And it was next to his bed. And me and my brother, you know, my dad would watch TV out there. Probably. Springer, but. 

And we would watch, you know, cartoons or something, you know, in the in the room. So, you know, we got over and we wanted the cars to come out. We had two cats and he had them in the basement and the door was shut to the basement. And you're not bringing them up, You know what I mean? Like all that kind of stuff. Uh, this rancher, you know, we didn't have a waterproof basement, so there was some flooding when it was a big storm. So this was a time that it was raining. All right. Back to you know, I'm in the room. We're watching TV and the doors open to the hallway. So typical rancher, there's a hallway and then you have your living room, kitchen. And then in the dining room, kitchen was the door to go to the basement. So we're down the hallway and I look out the door and there's one of the cats in the hallway. And it's, you know, it looks at me and, you know, you want to play with the cat. You're a little kid. You're like, Oh, come here, 

Rich Bennett 44:35
Right. 

Tom Cahue 44:35
you know, all that kind of stuff. And it runs. And I'm only about two steps from the from the doorway. So I take those two steps and I look and down the long hallway, the cat's not there. This would have been some supersonic cat, first of all, to to turn that corner. Secondly, at the end of the hallway kind of sandwich was my my dad watching TV. So when I got to the front and said, oh, where's the cat? You let him up. And he's like, I didn't let the damn cat. I'm letting the cat, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I look and the door to the downstairs is shut and locked. And I go over and I open, I unlock it, I open it, I go down. Both of the cats are in one corner of the basement and the water is rising all around that corner like it was about to flood. So my dad's like, oh, you know, and came all the way down and we grabbed the cats and we brought them upstairs. But I know I saw that cat, this cat would have had to went through the wall, which is paranormal itself or 

turn the corner without my dad seeing unlock a human door, Shut the door, lock it again from the other side, go down the stairs, not be wet and jump all the way to the corner of the room. So that was my first. That was why I said it was a projection to me. It was 

Rich Bennett 45:58
Not 

Tom Cahue 45:58
in 

Rich Bennett 45:58
a 

Tom Cahue 45:58
danger. 

Rich Bennett 45:58
spare, Right? 

Tom Cahue 45:59
A spirit projection. You know what I mean? It was not. It was in danger. And it wanted us to get in it. And somehow, some way, the spirit knew to come to me because I'd been asking about it. And so that was that's my that was my first ever one. And. And, And, you know, my dad, he believed it instantly because he was he was there. My brother, he'd said he didn't see it, but, you know, he was watching T.V. We could have just missed it. So that was the first one. Now, getting into a spirit or a ghost, this was actually on a cemetery walk and a ghost tour. So with free spirit, paranormal society there, the preferred tour guide, I guess you can say, of Laurel Hill Cemetery in Philadelphia, which is like a kind of like a popular celebrity type of one. Like there's a lot of famous dead people there. 

Rich Bennett 46:55
Free spirit does tours. 

Tom Cahue 46:57
Well, Laurel Hill does tours, 

Rich Bennett 46:59
Oh, 

Tom Cahue 46:59
and 

Rich Bennett 47:00
okay. 

Tom Cahue 47:00
we're the we're the guides of the tour. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 47:03
I didn't 

Tom Cahue 47:03
So. 

Rich Bennett 47:03
know you guys did that. I thought you actually went and did your investigations in all. 

Tom Cahue 47:10
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We 

Rich Bennett 47:12
You do both. 

Tom Cahue 47:13
we have. Yeah, we 

Rich Bennett 47:14
Okay. 

Tom Cahue 47:14
do both. But 

Rich Bennett 47:15
Okay. 

Tom Cahue 47:15
this is one where. And it, it's only like maybe every other month or 

Rich Bennett 47:19
Right. 

Tom Cahue 47:20
probably until they get like 50, 60 sign ups because, you know, and then we break up into smaller groups and then we start at different places and 

Rich Bennett 47:26
Right. 

Tom Cahue 47:26
things like that. So there was this one, you know, and Laurel Hill, again, you know, is a seller. You know, when I say celebrity, I mean, like there's fake graves for Rocky and or for Adrian and Paulie from the movies. And there's also. And then you have people from like that were on the Titanic that lived in the area or people that founded certain things around Philadelphia and 

Rich Bennett 47:46
Right. 

Tom Cahue 47:47
that so so that's why I say that. So one of the things we always tell people, always, is when you see something, say something. Because if you hold it in and someone else holds it in, you missed an opportunity to, you know. So even if you, you know, it could be a bug, doesn't matter. You see something, say something. So we're walking. We are about to go past this one grave and we always like to stop there because it was one of the it was the youngest person to die in the Revolutionary War because back then, you know, you had 13 year old Bugle Boys and things like that. And unfortunately, he got shot. So, you know, we're about to tell that and we're walking up and all of a sudden out of like, not even the corn, I am peripheral, like diagonally. I just had to cock my head a little bit. I saw two pairs of legs take a couple of steps towards me and turn around and walk away. And it was just from like a stomach, like bellybutton down. So I can't even say I had a full body apparition. The guy next to me stopped and said, You saw that, didn't you? He said, What did you see? Because. He saw it, too. And I said, I saw two legs, two steps and then walk away, he said. That's exactly what I saw, He said. Hold on. He turned around and he said, And somebody is like, I think I saw something. One of the people in the door said, I saw a couple. I saw just a pair of legs take some steps and run away. And somebody from the back said, I saw that, too. So it's four 

Rich Bennett 49:13
Wow. 

Tom Cahue 49:13
people. And this little group that caught a and I said, Look, you guys are starting at the top here. It's nothing more than a full body apparition. You know, And I joke about it now because I'm like, well, it's only a half body operation, but still. You know, you guys, all you guys are starting at the top here. And so me, the other person and two civilians, I guess you want to call it. All confirmed the same thing that we saw. So those are the two ones I like to tell, because those are really, really popular and like undeniable to me because, you know, I do I will give my you know, I will be on the side of doubt at first. You know what I mean? There's been a bunch of things. 

Smaller things mimic more type things of, you know, hearing phantom voices and things like that. And I chalk it up to, well, I was about to fall asleep, you know, who knows, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And I won't really count them. I never count orbs either. I don't count 

Rich Bennett 50:13
Oh, 

Tom Cahue 50:13
if 

Rich Bennett 50:13
my. 

Tom Cahue 50:13
I don't count all of them, I don't have to worry about them. 

Rich Bennett 50:17
I'll never forget the one time we we went to Harpers Ferry and it was me, my son, I think, to my brother in law. And we were walking up through the cemetery, turned around, and we all saw it. First time I've ever seen an orb with the naked eye. 

Tom Cahue 50:37
Really? 

Rich Bennett 50:37
And it was. Yes. 

Tom Cahue 50:38
How big? 

Rich Bennett 50:41
It was it was 

softball size, I guess, But it was weird. It's like it was following us. So it's hard to. Yeah, even with it's hard to tell how big it was really. Because of your first all is all right is our head like, you know. 

Tom Cahue 51:00
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 51:00
You're trying to debunk everything, but then as you're seeing it following you, then you're like, okay, 

what the hell? 

Tom Cahue 51:10
Yeah. Now, now, I should clarify. I should clarify that I would count, but I'm talking about picture, you know, orbs or video ones. 

Rich Bennett 51:17
Yeah. Oh, you see 

Tom Cahue 51:18
You know, 

Rich Bennett 51:18
them and. 

Tom Cahue 51:19
there could be you see them a lot, but that one is an organic or a story. Because if it's softball size, I'd be I'd have to be a hell of a bug and. 

Rich Bennett 51:30
Well, yeah. Definitely bigger than a bug. 

Tom Cahue 51:33
Yeah. Yeah. And so when you have that type of experience and I think I think I don't know if it's after you done it a while, maybe some people are more prone to it. But when you look at it, I think you can tell. First here. 

Rich Bennett 51:53
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 51:53
You can tell when you're looking at something that's not normal, that's not on our plane. I think you can tell and some consider that and there's also the MOAB Lights. And Las Vegas has lights, too. I can't. Valley. Valley of the Valley of the Orbs is another one where 

those orbs come dance, interact with each other almost, and then leave. And that again, going back to what we said before, that's more of Native American lore, of spirits of the desert 

through it. That's how we basically that's how we see it in our third dimension. That's how we see what these things are. But if you had access to a different dimension, you would see that it would be a portal opening up in somebody, something coming through. Now we hear about that. Everybody wants to think it demons, but it doesn't have to be there. It doesn't have to be. It could just be information. It could just be consciousness. It could be something. Whatever it is does not automatically have to make it a demon. And that's something that we should, you know, probably stop too, in the field. Is this fear mongering. We don't have to make everything demonic. We don't have to, you know, for for any demon story you have you have two people that have passed on that have been wonderful in your life and love you. You know what I mean? We don't have to make every single thing that way, but we like to because it sells. 

Rich Bennett 53:18
Yeah, exactly. So how long now with the. How often do you do the paranormal investigations? 

Tom Cahue 53:27
So. Paranormal investigations. Most of the time when you're in a paranormal society, it's about getting awareness out so you'll do 

Rich Bennett 53:36
Okay? 

Tom Cahue 53:36
more of like library or fairs or conventions or flea markets or things like that just to get your name out there. But about once or twice a year, you'll have one where it all comes together because so many people reach out and then they go cold. You know what I mean? Many, many will reach 

Rich Bennett 53:54
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 53:54
out, but twice a year you will have ones where you can set up your cameras, you can have your EVP. It works on people's. We all have lives, too, you know. I mean, it works on people's schedules. And you can get in there and get some good activity and write a report up and act like you're you're one of the TV guys, basically. You know what I mean? And then other times, it's more of, you know, like practice. So you'll go with the group and do a cemetery walk or you'll go do something else. And that's just to keep your skills fresh, to hone up on on everything. And maybe you want to try a different tactic, new piece of equipment, things like that. 

Rich Bennett 54:38
So which one is the favorite one of your favorite places that you've been to so far? 

Tom Cahue 54:44
I would say, 

okay, it's going to be it's going to sound weird, but this is my favorite. There is one house we didn't investigate and that it's my favorite because we got there. We are just people who enjoy investigating. We don't charge anybody. We don't make a profit off this. You know, we pay dues that go to our website. And if we have to pay for like tables set up and things like that. 

Rich Bennett 55:13
Right. 

Tom Cahue 55:13
This. We only investigate good energy. So this one, we get there. And this is my fear because it's most memorable, not because I liked it. So I'm going to go preface it by. We get there? It's a house. Looks like every other house. You wouldn't. It was not a cul de sac, but it was in sort of a development. You know what I mean? So. 

Rich Bennett 55:36
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 55:37
It's not out in the woods by itself, that type of thing. You get out, you start getting your equipment, you know, bags, things like that. Whatever you have, pull out. And it's like. 

Well, colder on this property than it is. This was like June, so it's like a little colder than what? That's weird. Why do I have a shiver? You know, I mean, it's not midnight. 

Rich Bennett 56:00
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 56:00
It's seven. And you look. And the windows through the windows. It was darker than dark. It was darker than dark. Like darker than a light out. Like somebody pulled a blind or something down and 

Rich Bennett 56:13
Right. 

Tom Cahue 56:14
it was. And the woman who was there was out on her porch. And she's like, Oh, thank you so much for coming. Like. Like nothing was wrong. I'm not a sensitive. Ah. Leader was. He said, You guys wait back here a minute. One of the people on our crew started getting, like, stomach pains. The other one started getting nausea. I got lightheaded. And he goes up to the woman, and he's like, I'm just going to go inside for a second. And he goes inside and talks to the woman and all that. Ten or 15 minutes go by. He comes out. He's like, Sorry for wasting your time, guys. Pack it up or leave him. He said he felt multiple demons in that house. 

Rich Bennett 56:57
Wow. 

Tom Cahue 56:57
That woman has already started this state of oppression, which is ancillary to possession. And he immediately got on the phone with one of his priest friends and brought him out and we left. That was the creepiest and my favorite. 

Rich Bennett 57:15
Wow. 

Tom Cahue 57:17
Yeah. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 57:19
Oh, man, that. Whoo hoo! Yeah, that just. That's chills up my spine there, 

Tom Cahue 57:28
Out of respect for the leader. He never talked about what happened after the police got there, after 

Rich Bennett 57:34
right? 

Tom Cahue 57:34
they started doing Palo Santo Wood and Sage and all of that kind of stuff out of respect. But he said something bad would have happened if our people go in and most everyone but me and two other people are in their sixties. He was looking out for, you know. 

Rich Bennett 57:53
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 57:53
Health. Yeah. And so. 

Rich Bennett 57:56
Yeah. You definitely don't want anybody on your team to have a heart attack or any. 

Tom Cahue 58:00
No, not that, but. Yeah, you have that too. But. 

Rich Bennett 58:04
Yeah. 

Tom Cahue 58:05
Their life. Energy is not. Might not be up to fighting. Yeah, to fighting that. Now you bless yourself, you say prayers, you know all of that. But the reason why they're a demon is they don't care about that. They'll still try to fight you. 

Rich Bennett 58:19
Wow. So. So is there any place that you haven't investigated yet that you would love to? 

Tom Cahue 58:26
Yes. So I something on my bucket list, and I don't have a specific place in mind, but the amount of crazy paranormal stories that happen at lighthouses I would love. 

Rich Bennett 58:40
Yes. 

Tom Cahue 58:40
I would absolutely love to do a light house investigation through the stairwell, through the top, because there's a lot of area in there that you can't you cannot cross contaminate. And if you have set up tripod cameras at different areas, plus you want to do EVP at the top. That's a perfect place. The water, the energy. There's. There's always more paranormal things by damns, lighthouses, you know, houses on water than other places because you have that constant flow of energy and it can draw. You know what I mean? So I think a lighthouse, anyone could be a local one. It could be, you know, a famous one. I don't care. I would love. 

Rich Bennett 59:20
I'm with you there. I love lighthouses. 

Tom Cahue 59:22
Well, if I get an invite, I'll send one to you 

Rich Bennett 59:24
All right. 

Tom Cahue 59:24
in our area. 

Rich Bennett 59:26
Yet when I wonder if Concord, Concord Point, Lighthouse and Heavenly Graces got any? Because I know you can still go in there. 

Tom Cahue 59:35
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 59:36
But I also. 

Tom Cahue 59:37
It might just be as simple as, Hey, after your clothes. Do you mind if I do this? You know what I mean? An email. Most of 

Rich Bennett 59:42
Cause 

Tom Cahue 59:42
the. 

Rich Bennett 59:42
I know there's a paranormal group there, but. 

Tom Cahue 59:45
Oh yeah. And I like that. That there's there's some everywhere now. It's almost like every county has one. 

Rich Bennett 59:50
Yeah, without a doubt. So, Tom, number one. 

Tom Cahue 59:53
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 59:53
The door's open. I would love for you to come back all cause I knew there's. 

Tom Cahue 59:56
Oh, by all means. If I get anything, anything from any of mine, I'll come in. But, yeah, please have me back. I would love to 

Rich Bennett 1:00:02
Oh, yeah, absolutely. 

Tom Cahue 1:00:03
talk about this. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:04
Tell everybody where they can find you, your podcast, everything, website, website. And actually, correct me if I'm wrong, do you have a book coming out or did it come out? 

Tom Cahue 1:00:14
Yes, I do. Right here. My first time author, healer. Conflict of a Gift. It comes out May 14th. Available for pre-order now on Amazon. So, yeah, my my first debut novel got it published organically, so I'm happy about that. But yeah, I have two shows. Beyond the Radar Is Mine, where we talk about anything beyond the scope of normal. And you know, a lot of times it's a wide range. Sometimes I have guests on, sometimes I am more of the narrator and talking about different news stories that have happened over the past week. And, you know, it's open to anybody. My website Beyond the Radar News.com. You can upload your paranormal pictures, videos, UFO sightings on there, and as a little gift, you know, I can you know, if you do that, I'll invite you on and we'll talk about why it happened, what was the experiences behind it, and give everybody a chance to tell their story because we haven't had this type of freedom. You know what I mean? This what you and me are doing up on here ten years ago. So, you know, it's just an opportunity for people to talk about what they want. And then also chasing Prophecy radio show where on 103 on the Gulf Coast in Point, Henderson Point, Mississippi, and then 1077 in New Orleans, you can listen to us every Tuesday, 7 to 8 on UPN. Check us out on Facebook, YouTube, and be on the radar as well as 6 p.m. on Thursdays. I should mention that to you. I know what time it is. 6 p.m. and it's on the same radio stations. If you're in the South or Facebook, YouTube, you can find a streaming on that. We take both shows, take live questions from commenters. We have a text board chasing prophecy. We always have a guest for that. So people want to ask their own questions to psychics, to mediums. We've even had many readings happen on air. It's been it's been fun. So yeah, absolutely. That's where you can find me. And yeah, Be on the Radar podcast and Chasing Prophecy radio show. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:22
New Orleans is a place I would love to do some investigations. 

Tom Cahue 1:02:27
You're going to get a lot of vampire activity, you're going to get Creole energy 

Rich Bennett 1:02:30
You're going to get. 

Tom Cahue 1:02:30
you're going 

Rich Bennett 1:02:31
Oh, 

Tom Cahue 1:02:31
to get. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:31
I know. 

Tom Cahue 1:02:32
It's not it's not going to be your typical one. And I agree. I would love to go there. I haven't done any down there. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:39
We went down there. February is the first time I've ever been there. First time I've flown since 1995. But I was we went down for we flew down on Super Bowl Sunday and we were. 

Tom Cahue 1:02:51
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:51
For a week. So Dawn, Mardi Gras. 

Tom Cahue 1:02:54
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:55
I was not allowed to work, so I couldn't take my equipment. Tom I'm not limited to people I met down there, the things I've seen. If I had my equipment, I would have been recording every day. 

Tom Cahue 1:03:09
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:10
With without. 

Tom Cahue 1:03:10
You got to get a body cam. You got to get like three body cams and just walk around down there. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:14
Ask questions. 

Tom Cahue 1:03:15
Back and. Yeah. Like a low level one. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:18
Oh yeah, I definitely would have just listened to the music, the arts and the food. But I would love to do some investigative 

Tom Cahue 1:03:27
I would love to as well. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:28
charity. 

Tom Cahue 1:03:28
That sounds like a great place. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:30
Yeah. TOM Oh, yeah. TOM Thanks a lot, man. 

Tom Cahue 1:03:35
Thank you so much for having me.